Talk:Knots Landing

Greg Sumner was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 5 December 2017 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Knots Landing. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Knots Landing is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 22, 2005	Peer review	Reviewed
February 3, 2006	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
March 19, 2006	Peer review	Reviewed

Current status: Former featured article candidate

Correction

VHS tapes were made available of the show. CBS Home Video had a subscription service for them and they were sent on a regular basis to subscribers. It covered the first few seasons. The official Knots Landing site confirms VHS tapes exist.

Help, Admin!

I was trying to change the category "Soap opera" to "Soap Opera" because I didn't like the way "Soap opera" looked, and stupid internet explorer cut off half the page. That's what I get for not taking the extra five seconds to load Mozilla. Can someone revert?

Thanks

Juppiter 15:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The category will not be changed to "Soap Opera". The manual of style dictates if there is a certain genre and it is not normally capitalized that way, the lower case stays. Mike H 22:03, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

Do you mean in that table? The "O" doesn't need to be capitalized. That underscore needs to go, though. Mike H 22:04, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

I know it didn't need to be changed on the table, it's just an aesthetic thing really. Thanks for using your awesome admin powers! ;-)

Juppiter 22:29, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Someone needs to correct Steve Shaw, it links to a person who is in politics, the Steve Shaw who was on Knots Landing died in a car crash in 1990. I tried to correct the article but the bot thing removed it. Thanks!

Infobox

Isn't the infobox supposed to be brief? IMO, having every actor ever to be credited on the show in there is redundant since they're already named in "Credited Cast." Juppiter 20:19, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree with you. Alec Baldwin is definetely not a major actor of Knots Landing ! Lvr 08:59, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Who Killed Ciji?

This really isn't my field of knowledge, but it seems to me there is some confusion about Ciji's murderer; in Season 4 it says Gary "was arrested for her murder, even though Val confessed to killing Ciji.". In Season 5 it says "Diana married Chip while on the run with him. Even though Chip confessed to Diana that he'd killed Ciji...". Ok, I googled and found http://www.knotslanding.net/episodeguide/season5.htm which states that "the real kiler was Chip." It also says in the Season 4 episode guide that Val did confess (presumably to protect Gary). Perhaps that could be clarified?

216.239.74.247 05:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chip killed Ciji, but Val confessed because Gary was arrested and tried for the crime. ^juppiter bon giorno #c 19:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gary was tricked into "admitting" he killed Ciji during an alcoholic blackout. He went to trial, but it became clear he wasn't guilty. Chip had done it. Asa01 09:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would just like to add that Gary actually thought that he had killed Ciji. After his alcoholic blackout, he woke up on the beach only yards from where the body was found. Not being able to remember, he thought he was the killer. Also, Valene DID think that she was Ciji's killer. She had gone to Ciji's apartment earlier that day. The two had an argument. Ciji said horrible things to Val and Val shoved her. Ciji fell and hit her head. When Val had learned that Ciji was killed by a blow to the head, she confessed. Given the way Valene felt about Gary, the other characters assumed that she confessed to protect him. There were two blows to the head. The first one came from Val, the second one was the one that killed her. It came from Chip. Tallone110 (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article Length

I agree that this article is too long, but I don't want ANY of it split to subpages. Rather, I think that certain contributors should stop making even longer by adding unconfirmed and completely superfluous info. Juppiter 01:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Juppiter, You don't own this article,nor any other so ANYONE is allowed to make constructive edits. And it is NOT up to ONLY you what is "unconfirmed and completely superfluous info". Wikipedia is the online encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit. Quit trying to have ownership of the article.--99.177.250.140 (talk) 20:36, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

Someone restored this item, but I've taken it back out:

At first, Michele Lee hated the season 5 drug dependency storyline, but producers forced her to do it, earning Lee an Emmy nomination.

Season 5 was 1983-84 and Michele Lee's nomination was in 1982, so either this storyline is attributed to the wrong season or it was not what got her the nomination. TAnthony 19:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

this is true, Michele Lee was nominated for Best Actress for the 3rd season (1981-82) and so it was probably her storyline about Sid dying that got her the nomination, not the drugs one which was 2 years later. (Julie Harris was nominated for Best Supporting Actress in season 3 also). MassassiUK

Ratings

Hiya guys, I've added some ratings info to the page. To avoid confusion, please note that actual ratings (20.0, 19.5, etc) are different from the rankings (9th place, 11th place, etc) as rankings are only relevant in relation to the other shows in that particular season. Furthermore, this also dispels the myth that Knots had low ratings to start with, which was not the case. Its first season scored a 20.0 rating though it finished 30th for the year. It also scored a 20.0 rating for its sixth season, when it finished 9th for the year. It means it had the same audience numbers, but that now only 8 other shows were doing better than it because most of the competition from the year of its first season had fallen. The ratings information can be found in "The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network & Cable Shows" written by Tim Brooks and Earle Marsh (8th Edition) (though I'm sure you can find it on the web somewhere too if you look around). MassassiUK 01:46, Friday 22 June 2007

There seems to be a widespread myth that Donna Mills boosted the show's ratings when she was brought in, when in fact, ratings actually dropped slightly. Also, Knots did not have disappointing ratings for its first season, as stated above. It scored a 20.0 for 1979-80. Dallas scored a 25.0 for the same year. However, Knots' first season ratings were actually bigger than Dallas' first season ratings in 1978-79. MassassiUK 22.24, Sunday 8 July 2007

Does this make any sense?

I don't understand the following- Galveston died, leaving his company to Greg Sumner, Galveston’s son. Assuming he would inherit Empire Valley, Greg resigned from the Senate, but Galveston left it to Gary.

Who did Galvestion leave it to? Greg Sumner or Gary? The sentence says Greg at first then at the end of the sentence it says he left it to Gary.--99.177.250.140 (talk) 21:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

incomprehensible prose

The section on Kevin Dobson needs rewriting; it's hard to understand:

After getting married, Mack was as determined as he would be to get to believe Karen in almost everything she knew he did, whether if was being honest or not. (Despite not being an original cast member, Kevin Dobson appears in all the episodes of the series with the exception of two, during the last season, that very moment he joined the cast in 1982).

This article is excruciatingly long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.42.136 (talk) 00:37, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The writing is pretty funny actually:

In the show's first episode, which aired on December 27, 1979 on CBS, a giddy Valene ran on the beach, proclaiming to Annie Fairgate that she’d never seen the ocean. She would return to the ocean many times over the years, especially after her babies were kidnapped and declared dead during the sixth season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.6.227.69 (talk) 13:37, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Waleska.

Danny Waleske was not murdered, by Julie, nor anyone else. He had attacked Julie, who slammed a door on his fingers. Since he was drunk, he fell in a swimming pool, but drowned, unable to swim properly due to the broken fingers. I remembered this happening when it aired but since that is original research I went to http://www.knotslanding.net/villains/, and checked under Danny Waleska and I was correct. He was not murdered. Also http://www.knotslanding.net/ Is not a fan website, it is the official tv show website and can be used as a valid reference. I am changing the section about Danny Waleska being murdered, since he was not.--74.240.238.50 (talk) 23:38, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Overhaul.

Sorry, but Knots Landing needs a major overhaul. I mean, things like -Knots Landing unveiled a new opening at the start of season 3. In what is probably the best-remembered introduction... Have no sources and read like fan cruft. I'm going to try to fix this a little each day. Anyone want to help? Knots landing.net is a good place for refs since it is the show official website.--BeckiGreen (talk) 00:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Season-by-season premises, longest-running night-time soap, etc.

Knots Landing ran for fourteen seasons, from 1979 to 1993, but I do not think a complete premise for each season is needed; only the highlights should be touched on. The premises for Season 1–14 should be chopped and cleaned up, only major characters and memorable plots should be discussed. All of this should be under a title perhaps saying "Story" or "Series synopsis", which would discuss all of the seasons' plots and characters, but in a shorter, more orderly manner. See the Dallas and Dynasty pages for examples.

Also, I do think there should be some mentioning that Knots Landing is indeed the longest-running night-time soap opera (or serial) to date. Knots Landing ran for fourteen years (1979–1993), Dallas for thirteen years (1978–1991), Falcon Crest for nine years (1981–1990), and Dynasty for eight years (1981–1989). Although Knots Landing ran one year longer, Dallas made thirteen more episodes; but technically, did not have the longest run, and in reality, had just thirteen seasons, not fourteen. Knots Landing was still a Top 40 series when cancelled in 1993, whereas the others had dropped to a series-low by their cancellations.

Here are just some things I feel should be done to improve this page on Knots Landing. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.221.35.36 (talk) 15:44, July 5, 2014

Series synopsis

I have written a new section titled "Series synopsis" that details all fourteen seasons in a shorter way. The information I included is the very information Wikipedia in fourteen different sections. Opinions, anyone? I honestly think this is better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.233.216 (talk) 00:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your way doesn't seem and shorter, it is difficult to navigate a giant section of plot like that. Trimming some seasons may be appropriate, and perhaps combining some in a logical way to reduce the number of sections, but one giant plot summary is bad.— TAnthony^Talk 03:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess having fourteen different sections filled with grammatical errors and choppy and, in some cases, minor plot details, is better? I was only trying to help. All I am trying to say is that this "Synopsis" section is far too long. The Dallas, Dynasty, and Falcon Crest have shorter and much more interesting examples of how it should be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.233.65 (talk) 19:24, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored your rewrite, which I agree is better that what was there before. Are you able to section it somehow, not necessarily by season? It's too unwieldy as one giant section, and calls attention to it's own length, which pushes the limit.— TAnthony^Talk 04:38, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When looking at the other Wikipedia pages concerning the soaps from the same era, Dallas doesn't necessarily mention a great deal about its plot beyond the basics; Falcon Crest does basically the same thing, while also including some of its cliffhangers and critical reviews. In this aspect, Dynasty is probably the most successful. It's page gives a good overview on the show, its major plot lines, significant characters, cliffhangers, and viewership with quotes and critical reviews tossed in. Knots Landing should have something like this; I mean the saga Seaview Circle had the longest duration, but it's "synopsis" or "premise" section doesn't have to compete by length, or any thing like it.

Knots Landing, as a previous poster stated, could have "sections" dividing different eras in the show, just as the Dynasty and Falcon Crest pages do. Some of the more fanatical Knots fans could perhaps comprise a new synopsis section with the following subtitles: Early seasons (Season 1–4), Middle seasons and popularity (Seasons 5–9 or 10), Final seasons and series finale (Seasons 10 or 11–14). Just some thoughts...

Trivia

The "Who Lived Where" section is blatant in-universe trivia, and I've removed it from the article. I'm placing it below for anyone interested in the information, but I can't imagine an acceptable way to reintroduce any of it. — TAnthony^Talk 05:46, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

16961 Seaview Circle

Kenny Ward (Seasons 1–4)
Ginger Ward (Seasons 1–4)
Erin Molly Ward (Seasons 3–4)

16969 Seaview Circle

Abby Fairgate Cunningham (Seasons 2–4, 14–reunion)
Brian Cunningham (Seasons 2–4)
Olivia Cunningham (Seasons 2–4)
Gary Ewing (Season 4)
Claudia Whittaker (Seasons 12–14)
Kate Whittaker (Season 12)
Alex Barth (Season 13)

16975 Seaview Circle

Richard Avery (Seasons 1–4)
Laura Avery (Seasons 1–8)
Jason Avery (Seasons 1–8)
Daniel Avery (Seasons 4–8)
Cathy Geary (Seasons 6, 7)
Anne Matheson (Season 8)
Patricia Williams (Seasons 9–11)
Frank Williams (Seasons 9–13)
Julie Williams (Seasons 9–13)

16972 Seaview Circle

Karen Cooper Fairgate Mackenzie (Seasons 1–14, reunion)
Sid Fairgate (Seasons 1–3)
Diana Fairgate (Seasons 1–4)
Eric Fairgate (Seasons 1–9)
Michael Fairgate (Seasons 1–12)
Joe Cooper (Seasons 3-4)
Mack Mackenzie (Seasons 4–14, reunion)
Mary Frances Sumner (Season 5)
Paige Matheson (Seasons 8–10, 13)
Linda Fairgate (Season 11)
Meg Mackenzie (Seasons 9–14, reunion)
Jason Lochner (Seasons 12–13)
Abby Cunningham (reunion)

16966 Seaview Circle

Gary Ewing (Seasons 1–3, 13–14, reunion)
Valene Ewing (Seasons 1–13, 14–reunion)
Lilimae Clements (Seasons 3–9)
Chip Roberts (Season 4)
Joshua Rush (Seasons 6–7)
Cathy Geary (Seasons 6–7)
Bobby Ewing (Seasons 7–14, reunion)
Betsy Ewing (Seasons 7–14, reunion)
Ben Gibson (Seasons 7–8)
Aunt Ginny (Seasons 10–12)
Danny Waleska (Seasons 11–12)

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Merger of Greg Sumner

Looks like the AfD I created ended up resolving in a merger of the Greg Sumner article to this article. This article doesn't discuss any other characters. And the content in the Greg Sumner article is referenced stictly by a self-published fan site. How should such a merge be completed? -- Mikeblas (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, it should effectively be a simple redirect; the lengthy plot sections in Knots Landing cover the character's plot arcs. As you say, the casting info is only sourced by a fansite so it doesn't have a place in the "Behind the scenes" section, or another.— TAnthony^Talk 15:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]