Talk:Apophenia

Etymology

Cuzkatzimhut; A number of Wikipedia articles have content related to etymology. With regard to this revert, wouldn't this content then be a valid addition to this article? DTM (talk) 06:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Your cited book is indulging in crackpot etymology without fingerprints. It fails to cite by whom the canard has been suggested: " ... ἀπό (away from, apart) and φαίνειν (to show, to make appear). It has been suggested, however, that apophenia results from a misspelling and that the proper term should be apophrenia, from the Greek words ἀπό (away from) and φρήν (nerve, mind). Historically, the terms apophenia and apophany derive from the German neologism Apophänie, which was introduced in or shortly before 1958 by the German neurologist and psychiatrist Klaus Conrad (1905–1961) to denote an “unmotivated seeing of connections” accompanied by a “specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness”. This is likely somebody from the gallery who never mastered greek and stretches something he does not recognize to a completely different bogus word, also a neologism. At best, he is berating Conrad, the coiner, for not knowing enough Greek, which is unwarranted. I see no need to keep linguistic canards alive, and spread bogus misspelling stories through Wikipedia. Cuzkatzimhut (talk) 14:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Sure, OK, what I'd like to know is this: I wonder if Conrad worked from the example of other German scientific terms ending in -phänie (never mind the Greek) and if so, which would these have been? 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:986A:E4DD:2319:C79A (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Links to hypnagogia and/or hypnopompia?

Has this ever been researched? What is known? I can only say why I think this could be a relevant topic. I think it is clear that pattern matching is constantly going on in our brains, and I would surmise that there are mechanisms that control (1) how intensive this activity is and (2) how much of it is allowed to filter through to consciousness. From personal experience (which is not worth much, but remember, I am only asking a question on Talk here) it would appear that the effectiveness of these mechanisms is drifting in transitional states. Also, hypnagogic apophenia seems to be distracting and somewhat scary, whereas hypnopompic apophenia can be very fruitful (if you happen to be a mathematician at least). 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:986A:E4DD:2319:C79A (talk) 09:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Music

I'm not an editor, and I know this is probably not a super frequented page, but just wanted to let someone know that the band They Might Be Giants has a song called Apophenia that could be added to the Art portion. Thanks! 2600:1006:B16A:A732:B5F0:537:202A:EF3B (talk) 19:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Contrast with epiphany

The article says apophenia "does not provide insight into the nature of reality nor its interconnectedness" in the way that epiphany does; this makes sense to me.

To what extent, if any, does apophenia provide false epiphany? I mean, do people experiencing apophenia necessarily believe (or sometimes believe) that their experience does "provide insight into the nature of reality or its interconnectedness"? TooManyFingers (talk) 20:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps. This page is for discussing improvements to the article. See WP:NOTAFORUM. If you find an article or book that discusses this topic, please share it with us and we can add it to the article. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 02:30, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I think I understand. My hope was that a person actually knowledgeable about that particular aspect would have something relevant to contribute to the article, rather than mere sniping at honest questions. If I had known where to look, I would have had no reason to ask a question in the first place. TooManyFingers (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, if I upset you. The examples in the article, especially the reference to gambler's fallacy and perceptions of religious imagery in natural phenomena, suggest people can go quite far with their beliefs. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 06:21, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

The Organ Player

Am I the only person who can't see anything in that picture of "The Organ Player" in that cave in Sardinia? It seems like a bad example of Pareidolia to me because I never know what it is I'm supposed to be seeing. (I mean, an organ player, but I just can't see it.) Could someone create a copy and trace the 'organ player' part or something? The Face of Mars would be a way better example, in my opinion. 2601:408:C402:8D14:C1BD:2656:D11D:BA18 (talk) 07:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

The face fills the picture. It is a profile facing the left (your left facing the picture). The stain(?) just above the middle of the picture is the eye. The stalagmite in the lower left is not part of the face, but go halfway up the stalagmite and to the right is the mouth and all around there is beard. That is the way I see it, but I had to look for a while to find it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

This photo isn't even in the main Pareidolia article. If it's this hard to find the pattern, the photo should be replaced, not annotated. Mach61 22:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I do not oppose changing it and it does not seem controversial. I do not feel consensus is needed to change it. But also, there is no WP:DEADLINE. Give it a day or so and if no one objects, anyone who wants to can be WP:BOLD can change it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)