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17th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China

Hi! Long time! I'm finished with the "Members" table on the 17th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China.. Could you add their ranks? If so, thanks! :)

I'll be working on the alternate table as well!

Regards, --TIAYN (talk) 06:33, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I have a question for you (I'm currently adding the heads of department-level institutions); who was Head of the General Office of the Central Leading Group for Financial and Economic Affairs in the period 2007-2012? I have no bloody clue...

I must add, It's impressive that only two pages on full members are missing from the 17th CC. Great work! :) --TIAYN (talk) 07:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I cannot claim full credit for the 17th CC articles - they were mostly created by another user. As for the head of the finance and economics office - that was Zhu Zhixin before Liu He. Zhu served for the entirety of the term of the 17th CC so that makes your work a bit easier. Another thing I noticed - some of your "positions held" were inaccurate. In particular, anyone who is holding an NPC or CPPCC committee position generally held another post prior to their position in those largely symbolic bodies. You should check to see what positions they held for the majority of the duration of the 17th CC ; normally this would not be a ceremonial position. Anyway, thanks for the great work. Are you going to cover the alternates also? Colipon+(Talk) 14:50, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

That's the plan.. However, for the 16th CPC the plan is to have tables without offices held. The further back in time you go, the harder it is for me to find information... But yes, I'll try to fix it.

question, could you find out when Zhang Xiaolin (Qiushi editor-in-chief) was born? I can't seem to find it :P --TIAYN (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

For anything dating back to the end of the Cultural Revolution it is definitely possible to find what offices each person held. They only became more institutionalized after the 16th Congress. During the Cultural Revolution Mao basically just picked his list personally. There is no publicly available source that reviews Zhang Xiaolin's age, unfortunately. So we may have to leave that blank. Colipon+(Talk) 15:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I think you're being overly critical of Mao. While you may be right that that was the norm during the Cultural Revolution, I doubt it was the norm before then... In either case, even if you're right, they don't have a list anywhere as far as I know of who held which office in the, let's say, 13th CC. That's a problem for me. And even if we were to find such a list, the most important thing is the tableization of the CC lists. --TIAYN (talk) 21:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

You are right that Mao was probably far more "decentralized" and "democratic" during his earlier rule, particularly pre-PRC and pre-Great Leap Forward. It's what encouraged people like Peng Dehuai to speak out against him. 13th CC would be interesting - that was a tumultuous time during Chinese politics (Tiananmen, etc.); it may be better to work on that one next, instead of the 16th CC, which is not all that interesting. I can help you gather the data on the positions. You might be using ChinaVitae, but I know better Chinese-language sources. All you have to do is start and I will fill in the blanks. Colipon+(Talk) 13:15, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

OK, I'll jump to the 13th CC after the 17th CC. --TIAYN (talk) 17:33, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Could we make a deal? If I create the tables on all the CC lists, that you add the posts each individuals held in the office column and their rank? I'm sure that we would accomplish our task much faster that way.. The 17th CC "Alternate member" list has been uploaded to the 17th CC (but is missing offices and rank). Good idea? --TIAYN (talk) 06:56, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that is fine. It might take me a long time to do it, but it is the most efficient way. Colipon+(Talk) 18:15, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

What's the name of this guy? https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%B9%E5%A2%9E Tenzin or Dazeng? --TIAYN (talk) 22:59, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

...and this guy? 克尤木·巴吾东 --TIAYN (talk) 23:04, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

My best guess for the 'correct' transliteration is Kuyum Pa'ud; I have been trying to find a reliable Chinese-to-Uyghur-to-Latin script transliteration method, to no avail. As for the Tibetan, I am really not sure. I think Tenzin is a closer approximation to how the name is pronounced in Tibetan. Colipon+(Talk) 13:06, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Oops !

You're going to hate me :) I just pinyinified (no diacritical markings tho) Peking into Beijing in the PRC article.

My thinking is this : The name of the city has always (okay, except for when it was bei ping) been bei jing. It was even beijing in wade-giles, except almost no one knows how to correctly pronounce wade-giles ! So in effect, pinyiniffying this particular word is actually a correction of a mispronunciation.

Is that okay by you ?

We can argue about whether Taiwan is actually a separate country later :-) 210.22.142.82 (talk) 11:48, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Oh. I've been snooping, sorry. About Falun Gong, you will never win. You are fighting the CIA. No, I don't have a tinfoil helmet. Research COINTELPRO. Don't be naive, they never quit. It works too well. 210.22.142.82 (talk) 10:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Why had you deleted my adds to the outlines of pages about Chinese leaders" Apollovvv (talk) 16:09, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

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Ningbo Mazu Temple &c. &c.

You're very welcome! Thanks for your own work expanding Wiki's dearth of Chinese coverage.

If you have the time or inclination, there's still work that page needs. I think it's saying there are actually two temples or a temple and office conjoined (There's even a diagram in Chinese at Wikicommons) but I couldn't make heads or tails of the Chinglish explanation of that at the official English page. If your Chinese is better, there may be a very lucid explanation on its Chinese equivalent that could be used to improve the article. — LlywelynII 13:35, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Citation for Civil Service of the People's Republic of China

I'm looking for a citation for the the Levels and ranking system in Civil Service of the People's Republic of China but cannot see any references for the table. Specifically for the field of 'Government positions' ex. "President of key universities, such as Tsinghua University". It seems that the original content is from this Hunan forum but the original poster can't be contacted. As this information does not seem to exist anywhere else, a source would be helpful for use in academic studies Panda9922 (talk) 01:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

It was a while ago so I don't recall the exact source - I believe I pulled it from the article on the Chinese Wikipedia. In any case the information is verifiable if you know how to search for it in Chinese. Colipon+(Talk) 13:20, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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I don't know why you had deleted my adjusts of pages of Chinese leaders?Don't you suggest they make the outlines more comprehensive? Apollovvv (talk) 16:12, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

You have not achieved consensus to post those things - I would suggest discussing it first; generally we do not include Politburo or Standing Committee membership in the infobox because they make the page needlessly unwieldy - you can see how we approach these offices on pages like Hu Jintao (we break it out on the bottom). In the mean time please cease these changes until we can agree upon a method. Colipon+(Talk) 16:40, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Two things

Hi again.

1. I have two questions. First, should we merge the following concepts Chinese Dream, Eight Musts, Four Comprehensives, Confidence doctrine, Eight-point Regulation, One Belt, One Road, Three Stricts and Three Honests, Two Centenaries & Five-in-one general strategy into the Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era? Those concepts are now part of the New Era ideology.

2. Who elects the Presidium of the 19th National Congress?

Regards, --TIAYN (talk) 14:20, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Probably a good first step is to summarize each of these concepts in the "New Era" ideology article, then see which ones continue to be substantial enough to deserve their standalone articles. For instance I have no doubt that One Belt One Road will retain its own article - whereas something like Four Comprehensives would probably easily fit in the "New Era" article. Colipon+(Talk) 14:46, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

The Presidium is chosen by the "preparatory conference" of the party congress a day or two before the opening the congress. The procedure was formalized in 1983 and used since; before that it seems they were basically chosen on the whim of major leaders. I believe the Politburo and Secretariat will choose the Presidium in advance (the probably discuss it at the 7th plenum of the previous CC) and the preparatory conference is a mere formality, as the vote to affirm the list of names takes place by a quick show of hands. The Standing Committee of the Presidium, however, seems to be more institutionalized: it is composed of the current members of the Politburo (including Standing Committee), former members of the Politburo Standing Committee, and the current members of the Secretariat. In theory, this body could meet in the middle of a congress to change procedure or insert major items into the agenda. Not sure if this actually happens in practice. Colipon+(Talk) 14:58, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Interesting.. And the Presidium of the 19th National Congress is composed of? .. As for those election regulations that article speaks of.. I'd love to get my hands on them :P

It sounds like the Central Committee is "dissolved", and they turn the Central Committe inner-composition into leaders of the party congress by using the Standing Committee of the Presidium and the Presidium. Very interesting, very smart!

In either case, thanks! --TIAYN (talk) 08:34, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't know where you will find the election regulations; I think the party constitution probably contains some of the details. But yes, what you said is absolutely correct - the Presidium and the Presidium SC are transition bodies that act as the highest authority within the party during the two-week or so phase where the congress is in session, when the previous CC is considered dissolved and the next CC is not yet in session. Another thing is purely aesthetic - the Presidium literally sits in the Presidium, facing the mass delegates, and the Presidium Standing Committee sits in the front row of the presidium (they fit all ~30 of them there in a single row - the ordering of the individuals is dictated by strict protocol sequence). When Xi made his speech, he bows once to the presidium, once to the mass delegates (in the opposite direction). Colipon+(Talk) 15:30, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm gonna to a total rewrite of the 19th National Congress article. I'll try to model the article on 6th National Congress of the Communist Party of Vietnam, 1st Congress of the Workers' Party of North Korea and the 6th Congress of the Workers' Party of Korea. The article fails to mention the Congress and focuses only on the 1st Plenary Session of the CC which elects the leading bodies (the article actually says the 19th National Congress elects them).

I hope thats OK :) --TIAYN (talk) 17:54, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes it is fine - I like the sections you put together on preparation and delegates, and I do appreciate that you give a more "internationalist" perspective on Leninist inspired parties; personally I am more fascinated by how they choose the leadership and who ends up on the PSC and PB, so I like writing those sections and have access to Chinese-language sources that are usually better than English ones. So we can collaborate. The Chinese WP splits out the 1st plenum as a separate article and lists all the personnel changes there, but in my opinion that is not very useful here at English WP - many people will go to the 19th Congress article looking specifically for the new leadership line up - and that's the reason there's so much media coverage in the first place. So we can mention that the bodies were elected at the 1st Plenum, but we don't need to split it out as a separate article. By the way did you notice that they did not make a single age-related exception on the CC, PB, PSC, or even the CCDI? Seems like this institution is here to stay, despite all the rumours that Xi would do away with it. Colipon+(Talk) 03:34, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I was going to send you an article about that, but I can't seem to find it :P Arrgh! To me, Xi Jinping seems to be the leader most keen on institution-building. You especially see it with the CCDI, the supervision and the judicial system. As for the "Chairman of Everything", most of the new bodies he is chair off, most of them existed under Hu Jintao just in different form. When he was President of the Central Party School he initiated a study on why the Soviet Union collapsed. The reasons? Ideological bankruptcy, lack of institution-building and controll, and that the party lost control over the military. He seems to be institutionalising everything so it would be strange if he decided to hang on to power... of course, power can make you mad... and as for a successor, I think a successor will be elected to the PSC at a CC Plenary Session at one point before 20th National Congress.

What I do find interesting however is that Zhao will be the first CCDI Secretary to serve two full terms as head since Wei Jianxing.. which is a major step in strengthening the CCDI.

To the point. Yes, I agree, the 1st Plenary Session of the 19th Central Committee should be mentioned here and not have its own article. Two different meetings, but they are part of the same event. And, I don't think you have enough information on the plenum itself to warrant its own article - and the press seems to agree. --TIAYN (talk) 07:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Question, would you be interested in translating the chapter titles of the Report to the 18th Central Committee for me? :P

习近平代表第十八届中央委员会向大会作的报告分13个部分：一、过去五年的工作和历史性变革；二、新时代中国共产党的历史使命；三、新时代中国特色社会主义思想和基本方略；四、决胜全面建成小康社会，开启全面建设社会主义现代化国家新征程；五、贯彻新发展理念，建设现代化经济体系；六、健全人民当家作主制度体系，发展社会主义民主政治；七、坚定文化自信，推动社会主义文化繁荣兴盛；八、提高保障和改善民生水平，加强和创新社会治理；九、加快生态文明体制改革，建设美丽中国；十、坚持走中国特色强军之路，全面推进国防和军队现代化；十一、坚持“一国两制”，推进祖国统一；十二、坚持和平发展道路，推动构建人类命运共同体；十三、坚定不移全面从严治党，不断提高党的执政能力和领导水平[4] 。

See if this helps. I could not find a good English-language translation of the report online - I think it will be published at a later date. Colipon+(Talk) 13:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

https://qz.com/1112638/xi-jinping-title-xi-jinping-is-not-the-president-of-china/ This! Is this true? --TIAYN (talk) 14:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

There is a mistake in that article: state media does not refer to the heads of state of other communist states such as Vietnam and Laos as zongtong but rather also guojia zhuxi. However it did call Mikhail Gorbachev zongtong of the Soviet Union. Colipon+(Talk) 15:02, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

But he had the title of president, the President of the Soviet Union - he dissolved the chairman position in 1990.

Very interesting! --TIAYN (talk) 20:04, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

You're right that it is translated that way because the Gorbachev himself had changed the title deliberately. It is moot anyway; they only used it on one occasion -- that of Gorbachev's visit, which took place during Tiananmen 1989. In any case, the issue always arises between a power-transition party congress at which point an incumbent steps down, and the National People's Congress in the spring, because during that time, you have a general secretary, and also a "President". Constitutionally speaking the President has the authority to declare war with the consent of the NPC, but one would think in reality this power resides in the CMC Chairman (who by the way at this point is also split between the party and state commissions and nominally run by two separate people.) This is all hypothetical anyway; in reality it is understood the party boss is the 'real' boss. Colipon+(Talk) 20:29, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

19th

I am confused why you want to make the content lengthy. Already have this page. Or that page.--O1lI0 (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

When people go to that page, they are probably interested in who sits on the council as it stands today. This is in line with the practice of "cabinet" articles of democracies, as well as articles like Politburo of the Communist Party of Cuba Also the Central Committee does not have a Politburo membership list. Colipon+(Talk) 23:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Back again!

Question, if you have any suggestions to improve the lead at the socialism with Chinese characteristics article (or can rewrite the lead so that it makes more sense) please feel free to edit or makes suggestions! :)

And I'll continue my work on the 19th National Congress article. Do you have any articles / sources which summarises the Political Report well? There are so many BAD summaries out there :P ... On the other hand, I read the speech.. Other than the fact that Xi mentions the same things over and over again, its a pretty good speech.--TIAYN (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I just read the new CPC constitution: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/download/Constitution_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China.pdf ... Chinese Communism isn't vague anymore! --TIAYN (talk) 21:37, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

No unfortunately I do not know of a good source that summarizes it well, especially at the level of exegesis that you are probably looking for as a long-time scholar of international communism. Just a note on "Chinese characteristics" - technically Xi Thought, Scientific Development, Three Represents, and Deng theory, are all part of the same "system of theories of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics." That is, Xi did not theoretically depart from fundamental tenets of Dengist thought about "primary stage of socialism"; the novel contributions seem more about centralized party leadership (a departure from Dengist collective leadership and also separation of party and state) and also dropping entirely the Dengist notions of "biding time" on the global stage in favor of "showing strength". Colipon+(Talk) 14:22, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hello! I saw your edit about how Jin Yuzhang "does not care for the claim [as heir to the Qing] nor acknowledge it". Is there a specific source that says he doesn't acknowledge himself as heir to the Qing? What is it exactly that he refuses to acknowledge? Also, I see you are a long-time editor on here. I'm doing some (what I consider) non-controversial groundwork on the subdistricts and townships of Wuhan and Hubei. I would appreciate any input you have on what I have done so far: List of township-level divisions of Hubei. Thanks!Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:13, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Your article looks good. I relied on a cached article of his interview with Southern Weekend. In it he said that he doesn't recognize himself as the head of the clan, nor does he think it is possible to track down who is still in the clan and who is not. And in any case - does it really matter? There is no reliable source indicating that the Aisin-Gioro clan still exists apart from being a historical curiosity being seized on by journalists (and Wikipedia editors), rather than an organic entity that functions as a coherent organization unto itself. Therefore I think it is totally inaccurate to describe him as even the "nominal head of the Aisin Gioro clan" as such a thing no longer exists. Colipon+(Talk) 01:52, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

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Yang Jiechi

What's inaccurate about the job attribution? The news coverage of his visit to South Korea stresses that position among those he holds.12.144.5.2 (talk) 04:56, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

He is the director of the Office of Foreign Affairs (中央外事委员会办公室主任)。 The way you had edited implied that he was the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Commission (中央外事委员会主任), which is not true. The chairman is Xi. Colipon+(Talk) 11:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

My edit was to call him Director of the Commission,similar to the other Politburo members who are directors of party organizations.I gather than his full title is Director of the General Office of the Commission.12.144.5.2 (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I changed it to reflect his office title; thanks for your message. Colipon+(Talk) 17:44, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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