Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahajana High School
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 13:50, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
This article was previously deleted after a VfD vote. It was then undeleted via Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion. The previous VfD listing is at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Maha Jana High School. It is now being relisted per undeletion policy. Please review the article as it is now and vote. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 05:53, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
- It was not really deleted after a VfD vote, the VfD vote was actually a no consensus. Sjakkalle 07:36, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Perfectly verifiable stub. Give it a chance to grow, and stop wasting time by relisting frivolously. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 06:03, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you read what I said at all? Have you bothered to read the undeletion policy? I didn't relist it for shits and giggles, I listed it because it was required of me to do so. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 03:00, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
- Considering how many admins I've seen breaking the rules lately *taps side of nose confidentially* you probably didn't have to. Master Thief Garrett 04:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you read what I said at all? Have you bothered to read the undeletion policy? I didn't relist it for shits and giggles, I listed it because it was required of me to do so. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 03:00, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. (But be sure to list it under its proper name. I understand there was a dispute about the proper name last time.) Educational facilities and other public infrastructure belong here. --Unfocused 06:04, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Notable subject. I echo Tony's comments. El_C 06:55, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- keep. Notable enough (most schools are). BTW, I won't tell you what I misread the title as, but it involved a different kind of high ;) Grutness...wha? 07:05, 15 May 2005 (UTC) I estimate a factor in you writing "most schools are." (ooh, this colour is!) :p El_C 07:23, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep again. Kappa 07:14, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete again. Gamaliel 07:26, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. No reason to delete an article that had the support to get undeleted. Harro5 10:28, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
- It takes only a simple majority or three people to get an article undeleted. The undeletion policy hinges upon the deletion policy. Articles are deleted by the deletion policy, and they are only kept by the deletion policy. In other words, no article's value has ever been or ever will be proven by the fact that it was able to get undeleted. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 03:00, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
Delete. It's only a stub rather than a substub because it waffles (its age is vague, that it's been used as a polling station is true of thousands of schools, so is not significant). The article essentially says: "The Mahajana High School is a school in Erode"; that just about qualifies it for speedy deletion. The support for undeletion was based largely on the fact that it was speedily deleted in error (mea culpa), so was procedural not substantive. The claim that most schools are notable is an odd one, but even if I accepted it, there's no indication that this school is one of that majority. If just one of the people who think that it should be kept would actually add some information, then I'd be convinced, and change my vote. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:45, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]- Comment. That it's a stub is evident, because it correctly identifies the location of the school. The bit about it's supposed age is indeed waffle, but that's not relevant to whether the article is a good school stub--that is to say, an article that defines its subject matter well enough to be expandable by someone who has information about the subject. The claim that undeletion was merely procedural is a falsehood; there was no consensus that the article was deletable in the last vote, it was speedied because someone claimed falsely that no such school existed under that name, and the admin who performed the deletion failed to check that this claim was true.
- Finally the statement that an article consisting of "Mahajana High School is a school in Erode" would qualify for speedy deletion is absolutely false. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:55, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This is the second time that you've presented this false account of events, and it's still just as false as it was the first time that you did. Postdlf laid it all out at Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion/undeleted#Maha_Jana_High_School. It was speedied because it was a redirect, and the undeletion was a procedural one because it was a redirect with editing history and speedied by mistake. In the original VFD discussion it was kept because I said that no such school existed by the name Maha Jana High School. Indeed, in the original VFD discussion I said that a school under the name Mahajana High School existed (in Mysore). Please pay more attention to what has actually been written in these discussions and what events have actually occurred. Uncle G 14:32, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
- Nitpicking. Because of your false claim it was redirected to Erode and then deleted. In essence, the article was mugged. An article being a redirect is not a valid reason to speedy delete. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:09, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This is now the third time that you've made that false statement. Can you really not tell the difference between Maha Jana High School (which I said didn't exist in Erode, and whose existence there has not been demonstrated by anyone) and Mahajana High School (which I said did exist) ? Once again, I strongly encourage you to pay attention to what is actually written. Uncle G 02:06, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
- Nitpicking. Because of your false claim it was redirected to Erode and then deleted. In essence, the article was mugged. An article being a redirect is not a valid reason to speedy delete. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 01:09, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- This is the second time that you've presented this false account of events, and it's still just as false as it was the first time that you did. Postdlf laid it all out at Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion/undeleted#Maha_Jana_High_School. It was speedied because it was a redirect, and the undeletion was a procedural one because it was a redirect with editing history and speedied by mistake. In the original VFD discussion it was kept because I said that no such school existed by the name Maha Jana High School. Indeed, in the original VFD discussion I said that a school under the name Mahajana High School existed (in Mysore). Please pay more attention to what has actually been written in these discussions and what events have actually occurred. Uncle G 14:32, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
- When will this pointless nitpicking end? For heaven's sake man. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 05:01, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- There is a school in Erode [1] and in Mysore[2], when the vote is decided, disambiguation will be required.--AYArktos 02:10, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- delete all stubs on non-notable schools. Including the size of its gym will not improve it either. Dunc|☺ 11:30, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -- and expand. Longhair | Talk 12:35, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Fine — expand it, and I'll change my vote. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:02, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Being a stub is no reason for deletion, so you have no apparent reason for not changing your vote now. Oliver Chettle 14:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If my argument were that it was a stub, you'd have a point. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:09, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Being a stub is no reason for deletion, so you have no apparent reason for not changing your vote now. Oliver Chettle 14:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Fine — expand it, and I'll change my vote. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:02, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: No content, no topic, just a little fingie about a little fingie. High schools are no more significant inherently than donut shops. Geogre 13:01, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- A ludicrous statement that brings deletionism into disrepute. Keep Oliver Chettle 14:32, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- How is it ludicrous? —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 23:10, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
- A ludicrous statement that brings deletionism into disrepute. Keep Oliver Chettle 14:32, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and let it expand. Verifiable and NPOV. DoubleBlue (Talk) 14:52, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I voted to keep it deleted on VfU, but since it appears to contain verifiable information now I'm voting keep here. JYolkowski // talk 16:33, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete once again, existance does not equal notability. --InShaneee 16:51, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, again. Neutralitytalk 16:58, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, high school. ✏ OvenFresh2 18:03, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete, ridiculously unnotable. Grue 19:01, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Still non-notable. --G Rutter 20:05, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, the information seems to have been verified - SimonP 21:35, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, verifiable, NPOV, reasonable topic. Kelly Martin 22:42, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, until Wikipedia starts running out of space. -- BD2412 thimkact 22:55, 2005 May 15 (UTC)
- Agree, Great Wikipedia Paper Shortage Klonimus 07:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia ran out of disc space on 2005-03-07. It was down for a day as a result. It ran out of disc space the previous month, too. Uncle G 02:06, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
- How much of the space problem was caused by the 3.6 gb (total, all languages, as of the end of March 2005) database taking up room? --Unfocused 04:29, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia ran out of disc space on 2005-03-07. It was down for a day as a result. It ran out of disc space the previous month, too. Uncle G 02:06, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
- Agree, Great Wikipedia Paper Shortage Klonimus 07:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable, instutional vanity. Gmaxwell 01:12, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Article fails to establish notability. --Carnildo 03:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Rangek 05:16, 2005 May 16 (UTC)
- Delete, not notable, school cruft. Megan1967 05:34, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep enough with hassling this poor school. It's a school, it's notable. It survived VfD, was speedy deleted, was restored from the dead, only to have deletionists try to kill it again. I'm tempted to create The Passion of Mahajana High School to describe this dolorous history. User:GRider/Schoolwatch Klonimus 07:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I look forward to the VfD vote on that article. ;) Gamaliel 07:21, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- As long as it's a subpage of WP:BJAODN, then go ahead. Master Thief Garrett 07:25, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I look forward to the VfD vote on that article. ;) Gamaliel 07:21, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. I still consider the blanket claim that all schools are notable to be absurd, and this school seems to be an ordinary, common-or-garden, bog-standard school of interest to no-one but the local community — but there's enough in the article to raise it above the substub/stub that it was. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. As noted by others above fits the criteria put up by Jimbo Wales for keeping an article on Wikipedia: verifiable (reference to the school's use as a polling site) & NPOV--AYArktos 08:44, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Would you take that site as a reference for how to spell "elementary"? Actually read the reference that you are waving around so readily, and tell us which street Mahajana High School is on. How accurate would you say your reference is? Uncle G 02:06, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
- Comment - sneering at people whose first language is not English for a miss-spelling is beneath contempt. The issue is whether we can verify the school's existence, which I can with reference to this electoral site and I have referenced the verification for the benefit of other Wikipedians. I did not write the site and am not responsible for the spelling errors contained within. I did not need a street address, I needed to establish whether there was such a high school in Erode - for my purposes this web reference attests to that fact and also the content of the article referring to the use of the school as a polling booth. There is now a more adequate reference with The Hindu article referred to on the school's wikipedia page. That there are two addresses does not phase me, many institutions operate out of more than one site - for example Avans Hogescholen. --AYArktos 08:54, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Erode (that would really need expansion) and delete - Skysmith 08:52, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- You can't merge and delete, it breaks the GFDL. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 23:10, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, schools are not notable. - Cedars 09:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all stubs on non-notable schools. Master Thief Garrett 10:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, needs expansion. -- Lochaber 11:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Samaritan 17:25, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Another useless collection of trivia. Jayjg (talk) 19:23, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Give this good stub time to grow. No need to be delete-happy! --Zantastik 19:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- How much more time do you need? It's been around since 2004-11-02 and twice had the attentions of people who have actively tried to expand it. The first time, the article actually shrunk to nothing, as it was discovered that none of the information in it could be verified, not even that a school by the name Maha Jana High School existed in Erode. During the VFU discussion it was moved to a different name, Mahajana High School, but so far the purported evidence that that school merits an article in its own right has in fact demonstrated exactly the opposite. The evidence presented for having an individual article about this school is a long list of schools used as polling stations, which actually shows that it's identical to lots of schools in this respect (probably hundreds of thousands, worldwide), and doesn't stand out from the crowd in any way whatever. Similarly, the ration card news article tells us that "various schools" are used as ration card distribution centres, too. The remaining minutia in the article is in fact about a person named Shri R. Soundara Rajan, and not about the school at all. Wikipedia is not a directory, but the only things that are in this article are: effectively a paraphrase of its directory listing in a (clearly less than 100% reliable, given the number of glaring errors that leap from the page when reading it) list of schools used as polling stations and an paraphrase of its (implied) directory listing in a list of schools used as ration card distribution centres. As a criterion for encyclopaedia-worthiness, the trivium about people being moved into a back yard really is at the level that would establish the infamous shed in my back garden as encyclopaedia-worthy. I find it saddening that the level of desperation to prove a plainly unsupportable assertion has risen to such an extent that people are willing to employ criteria that actually present a significant danger of the shed in my back garden getting an article. It's amazing that even when the prime reference being waved around is a long list of schools about which exactly the same thing can be said, the point that large numbers of schools are identical, and intentionally so (as a matter of public policy in many countries), still seems to be missed, even when it is glaring right in one's face as here. As per Skysmith, mention in Erode that schools are used as polling stations and ration card distribution centres (albeit that the former fact is so general that it could be mentioned in Education in India) and Delete. Uncle G 02:06, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
- The purpose of wikipedia articles is not to astound people with notability, it is to provide information to those who are seeking it. Kappa 22:34, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- How much more time do you need? It's been around since 2004-11-02 and twice had the attentions of people who have actively tried to expand it. The first time, the article actually shrunk to nothing, as it was discovered that none of the information in it could be verified, not even that a school by the name Maha Jana High School existed in Erode. During the VFU discussion it was moved to a different name, Mahajana High School, but so far the purported evidence that that school merits an article in its own right has in fact demonstrated exactly the opposite. The evidence presented for having an individual article about this school is a long list of schools used as polling stations, which actually shows that it's identical to lots of schools in this respect (probably hundreds of thousands, worldwide), and doesn't stand out from the crowd in any way whatever. Similarly, the ration card news article tells us that "various schools" are used as ration card distribution centres, too. The remaining minutia in the article is in fact about a person named Shri R. Soundara Rajan, and not about the school at all. Wikipedia is not a directory, but the only things that are in this article are: effectively a paraphrase of its directory listing in a (clearly less than 100% reliable, given the number of glaring errors that leap from the page when reading it) list of schools used as polling stations and an paraphrase of its (implied) directory listing in a list of schools used as ration card distribution centres. As a criterion for encyclopaedia-worthiness, the trivium about people being moved into a back yard really is at the level that would establish the infamous shed in my back garden as encyclopaedia-worthy. I find it saddening that the level of desperation to prove a plainly unsupportable assertion has risen to such an extent that people are willing to employ criteria that actually present a significant danger of the shed in my back garden getting an article. It's amazing that even when the prime reference being waved around is a long list of schools about which exactly the same thing can be said, the point that large numbers of schools are identical, and intentionally so (as a matter of public policy in many countries), still seems to be missed, even when it is glaring right in one's face as here. As per Skysmith, mention in Erode that schools are used as polling stations and ration card distribution centres (albeit that the former fact is so general that it could be mentioned in Education in India) and Delete. Uncle G 02:06, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
- Keep and expand as much as verifiably possible. High schools should not need to establish notability. --BaronLarf 21:28, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. Wikipedia would not be improved by the (re)deletion of this article. ~leif ☺ (talk) 01:41, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete unless wikipedia wants a boring, pointless article for every average school in every country. CDThieme
- Keep.JuntungWu 12:40, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, nn. Radiant_* 13:41, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. NPOV, referenced. - David Gerard 22:25, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Okay, I usually stay out of these high school debates, but I will make an eception here. The original poor Maha Jana High School article was kept, and then improperly deleted (first redirected, then deleted). I was the one who brought the article to VfU as an improper deletion. The current revision of the article is much better than the one at the first VfD debate, and if that one was kept, this one most certainly should be. I recall also User:Postdlf's comment on the VfU debate, if we can verify that the school exists, undelete and don't list again on VfD. Sjakkalle 07:31, 18 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Folks, lets try to keep this in perspective. Bring up just about any article in Category:Soviet Navy submarines. Do you honestly beleive that this school is somehow less notable, or less worthy of a WP article, than say for example, Soviet submarine K-429? Sure, that story about it sinking may be fun to read, but really, that's what thriller movies are for, not encyclopedia articles. linas 00:43, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Perspective?!? You try to keep perspective with an unfair comparison? That submarine is world history, admittedly a very small player, but still world history. What part has this school played in the world as a whole, in comparison? My submarine just sunk your
battleshipcomparison! Master Thief Garrett 02:53, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Perspective?!? You try to keep perspective with an unfair comparison? That submarine is world history, admittedly a very small player, but still world history. What part has this school played in the world as a whole, in comparison? My submarine just sunk your
- Keep Let it grow, let it grow let it growwww. [3] —RaD Man (talk) 07:26, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- "Every time that I plant a seed // He said, "kill it before it grows."" *sprays with Roundup, note the pun* Master Thief Garrett 09:02, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm glad you are able to see things from our perspective. Kappa 10:18, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- "Every time that I plant a seed // He said, "kill it before it grows."" *sprays with Roundup, note the pun* Master Thief Garrett 09:02, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Not every school is notable. This one isn't. Jonathunder 22:31, 2005 May 20 (UTC)
- Delete. —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 23:10, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
- This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.