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Why "(1962-1973)"?

Why "(1962-1973)"? The group seems to be still performing, according to its website (as of April 2004). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.48.181.79 (talk) 09:48, 9 April 2004 (UTC)[reply]

They're ghosts. -Silence 02:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No they're not. They lead in acappella, just went quiet for a bit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 10:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stub

This is just a stub. The stub template should be created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orpheo (talk • contribs) 02:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. You should invent it. Good luck to you on your mission! -Silence 02:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

'Was'?'

Why are the Swingle Singers described as a band with the word 'was'? Surely they are still around, as discussed in the caption above. I shall therefore echange the word 'was' to 'is'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.166.31 (talk) 14:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discography

I have prepared a discography of their LPs and CDs for my own use, but would be happy to upload it, if maintainers would like to see it.

The 2015 and 2017 albums seem to be missing from the Discography on this page - I suspect it has something to do with the name change in Spotify, which is also confusing in this article. Did they do an official rebrand after 2013?

--w3steve 21:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Today I moved the long list of albums (and individual tracks) from the main article to the discussion page for the Swingle Singers discography article. The list seemed (to me) to be too long and a bit out of place in the "main" article now that there is an independent "discography" article for the group. I retain the text in the discography "discussion" page in case anyone disagress and thinks the individual album track listings should be restored to this main article - or placed somewhere else.

Pugetbill (talk) 00:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not them on Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

'The group can be heard during the instrumental passages from the 1969 film Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.' - I don't think so, it's a copy of their style by Burt Bacharach, but it isn't them. Evidence; there is no mention of the film anywhere on the groups own website, which documents their career exhaustively. According to this page, it's probably Anita Kerr;

http://www.spaceagepop.com/kerr.htm

'There is good reason to suspect she also pulled another pseudonymous trick and recorded a second collection of Bacharach tunes, this time done very much in the mode of the Swingle Singers: Bacharach Baroque on Ranwood. And, although I've never been able to confirm it, I suspect it's Kerr and the gang da-ba-da-bing on the tune, "South American Getaway," from Bacharach's soundtrack to "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.64.112.13 (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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The french group and the english one

Since the french Swingle Singers in 1973 disbanded and the new born english Swingle II had all different members except Ward, I'd recommend to create a new page for the original french group only: it would be more correct. --95.236.232.17 (talk) 11:46, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, because the intention, spirit, method and arrangements were the same. The only thing which changed was a small variation in the tone balance because of the tonal ranges available to the new team, which soon settled to a simple step forwards from where the French team had left it. What would be useful is to ask them for a complete list of all former Swingles and the periods they worked in: you go to the LAF and the place is full of them, the rest of us keep trying to persuade them to have a swingles-down-the-ages reunion which is resisted because the past is the past and it's where they're going which is important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 09:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further to the last, I've found a list of former members, from https://www.bach-cantatas.com/Bio/Swingle-Singers.htm

Whether a sub-page is needed is up to the page admins - in any case, I can't post, I'm too close to the group for NPOV

Members of the Swingle Singers
	Sopranos	Altos	Tenors	Basses
1st Edition (French) (1962-1973)	Jeanette Baucomont Claude Chauvet Nicole Darde Christiane Legrand	Hélèn Devos Anne Germain Alice Herald Claudine Meunier	Claude Germain Joseph Noves Ward Swingle	Jean-Claude Briodin Jean Cussac José Germain
2nd Edition (1973-1977)	Mary Beverly Catherine Bott Olive Simpson	Carol Hall Linda Suggitt-Hirst (1974-1978)	John Potter Ward Swingle	David Beavan John Lubbock
The New Swingle Singers (1978-1984)	Sharon Halliday Olive Simpson	Lindsay John Nicole Tibbels	Lindsay Benson Ward Swingle	David Beavan Alan Byers
Jonathan Rathbone (1986-1995)	Deryn Edwards (1987-1992; 1996-1998) Jenny Fowler (1990-1993) Helen Massey (1986-1989) Nikki Sharkey (1989-1990)	Kimberley Asester Heather Cairncross (1988-1998) Carol Canning (1980-1988) Linda Stevens (1987-1991)	Andrew Busher (1985-1993) Jonathan Rathbone (1984-1996)	Ben Parry (1987-1992) David Porter-Thomas (1987-1992; 1993-1996)
Current Edition	Joanna Goldsmith Julie Kench	Johanna Marshall Clare Weeler	Tom Bullard Richard Eteson	Kevin Fox Tobias Hug

Firstly, this list is copied verbatim from that source. With the exception of Clare Wheeler' typo, it looks credible, but should be checked. Secondly, it's out of date, but the article already contains the data needed to bring it up to date. Similarly, a number of members certainly have their own WP pages needing links. Thirdly, there's an outer cloud of collaborators who're part of the family. People like Shlomo, who've worked with the core group but aren't on the payroll. I've needed to do this research for my own interactions with members, as relations have been tense in the past - whence my NPOV declaration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.39.250 (talk) 22:25, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced material

Article has been tagged for needing sources long-term. Feel free to reinsert the below material with appropriate references. DonIago (talk) 14:19, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Honors and awards

==Honors and awards==

Grammy Award winner:
- 1963: Best New Artist and (for Bach's Greatest Hits) Best Performance by a Chorus,
- 1964: Best Performance by a Chorus, for The Swingle Singers Going Baroque
- 1965: Best Performance by a Chorus, for Anyone for Mozart?
- 1969: Best Choral Performance, for Berio: Sinfonia - Ward Swingle, choral master; Luciano Berio conducting the New York Philharmonic and Swingle Singers
Grammy Award nominations:
- 1963: Album Of The Year, for Bach's Greatest Hits
- 1966: Best Performance by a Chorus, for Rococo À Go Go
- 1967: Best Performance by a Chorus, for Encounter, Swingle Singers with the Modern Jazz Quartet
- 1987: Wavendon All Music Award. (organised by John Dankworth and aimed at crossing the divide between straight music and jazz)

Why/how did both die on the same day?

"On 1 November 2011, both Christiane Legrand and Swingles composer André Hodeir died." There's a reference that takes me to a site asking me to give my email and consent to having cookies implanted, so I can't read the referenced article, but this information should be in this article anyway. 2604:2000:F226:3200:287B:7E44:6C5:B7C4 (talk) 17:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He died in the evening in Versailles.^[1] She died in the 15th Arondissement, time unknown.^[2] She started working with him in 1957, in a number of informal and then more formal units like Les Double Six, which in due course les to the Swingles in 1962. It's just a coincidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 09:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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French group putatively acappella

The acapella idiom in the early 60s was predominantly Early Music, until the Swingles got their hands on it. It may be a circular argument, but the next stage of the development of the modern acappella sound did include the use of bass and drums, provided they did not become lead instruments, rather acting as baroque continuo. This then led to the beatbox backing, as singers discovered they could do more than the instruments, which now allows them to come to the front where appropriate. My credentials in this are that I have studied beatboxing under the Swingles, and sing with the Southbank Voicelab in London, making me very close to the cutting edge in this work. My work at Alleyns in the 1960s kept the choir going which would be the vocal birthplace of Jo Goldsmith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.240.137 (talk) 10:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment: new WikiProject for a cappella-related articles

Hi there! To any and all interested: I've proposed a WikiProject dedicated to a cappella. This would be a group of editors interested in improving the quality of articles related to a cappella. If you're passionate about a cappella—ranging from the Pentatonix to groups like the Swingle Singers, or perhaps pop culture representations like Pitch Perfect and The Sing-Off—please check out the proposal and share your thoughts!

Here's a link to the proposal for WikiProject A Cappella.

If you could see yourself contributing to an article related to a cappella (like this one), please consider joining!

—Shrinkydinks (talk) 20:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Two Ronnies

Regulars on this English tv show. Worth a mention? 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:FDC5:4690:6C61:BAC5 (talk) 13:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source? DonIago (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One group or two?

We need to make up our minds about whether we are going to describe the Swingles as a separate group to the 1962 Swingle Singers, or both as the same group.

I think either take is valid, but at the moment this article mixes up the two approaches so is hopelessly confused and confusing.

The lead describes the Swingles as a successor group to the Swingle Singers; but then the article talks about both groups, and attributes the achievements of the earlier group to the current group with no distinction. It also uses the name "Swingle Singers" to refer to the current group. "Swingle Singers" redirects here, but isn't bolded in the lead.

I don't really care which one we go for; but we can't say the current group formed in 1974, AND attribute the 1966 Air on the G String recording to it.

(For what it's worth the group considers itself the same group - "The Swingles’ musical evolution and creative drive makes them as relevant today as when Ward Swingle started the group nearly six decades ago. TSP (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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