Talk:Portsmouth

Media

Hi everyone. I'm just wondering if a digital radio station by the name of Skylab Radio can be added to the media section please? The radio station has been broadcasting to Portsmouth and surrounding areas on DAB+ Digital Radio since August 2018, as part of Angel Radio's 'Solent Wireless' multiplex. Please let me know what you reckon. Cheers StereoHotHits (talk) 15:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

What is notable about the radio station? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.6.136 (talk) 11:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

To much detail in Lede

There is far too much detail in the lede section of the article, it doesn't need lists of ships, detail of charters and so on, all of which is dealt with in the body of the article. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 18:57, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

References

I am going to improve the references section.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 11:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for all that ref work! Eric ^talk 13:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

+1 Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Removed from category:Cities in South East England

I've edited category:Cities in Hampshire to put it into category:Cities in South East England. Following WP:SUBCAT, I've therefore taken Southampton, Winchester and Portsmouth out of category:Cities in South East England because category:Cities in Hampshire is the relevant subcategory. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Education

I've got it down on my to-do list to have a shot at sorting the education section. Not promising but I hope to be in Leigh Park library on Thursday and may be able to source some stuff. I (and some family) were educated in some Portsmouth area institutions so there's arguably a marginally COI but so long as I'm not doing anything controversial. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Gunwharf Keys and Southsea sections

These probably shouldn't be singled as particular sections as they currently are; but a move/merge would be disruptive. Improved definition of Portsmouth districts would be useful, and unhelpfully there are a couple of ways of defining this; and there may have been changes with history. I'm loosely familiar with developments from 1960s to present. Equally I dont normally edit above B Class and this claims GA. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Town or Borough?

I note that in the section Edwardian to Second World War, referring to the council taking over the whole of Portsea island in 1904, an editor has changed the description Town Council to Borough Council. Is this an anachronism, was it a borough council in 1904? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:02, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

There's also been a tad of problem with the de-embellishment of a citation I think but I may need to look at this later. Need to triage this beyond my contributions to the Covid exponentials in Pompey/Havant and correlation within-hospital transmissions rate QA and HBC oversight of shared residentials.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Short answer: Looking at [1] and a couple of other google links implies Portsmouth Borough Council correct. The many be a longer answer ... Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:12, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

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'England expects...' first said in Portsmouth - questioned

In 1805, Horatio Nelson left Portsmouth to command the fleet which defeated France and Spain at the Battle of Trafalgar. Before departing, Nelson told the crew of HMS Victory and workers in the dockyard that "England expects every man will do his duty".

This is a surprise to me. It is not mentioned as background information to the wiki article on the famous Trafalgar signal that uses the words. There is a book source cited, published 2013. Is it based on any reported speech or memoirs? It would be interesting to see what it actually says on page 39 of Hewitt's book, A Portsmouth Miscellany (I don't possess it but title makes me suspect the writer may have taken on board apocryphal information and I question how sourced it was) that supports this dramatic scenario, reminiscent of Henry V's Shakespearean reported speech at Agincourt and Churchill's 'we shall never surrender' speech of 1940. As veteran of a visit to HMS Victory in 1993, I have looked for reference in the detailed guidebook Nelson and Victory about the ship, but no speech in-port is mentioned and the Trafalgar signal appears to have been thought up when he was already on board at sea when he reportedly paced the quarter-deck after briefing the frigate captains on the morning of the battle then said, 'I'll amuse the fleet with a signal'.Cloptonson (talk) 07:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I’ve never come across any reference to the phrase being used before the day of the battle. Moreover the signal as flown being changed from Nelson’s original idea which was “England confides…”, “expects” used fewer flag hoists, being in the signal book whereas “confides” would have to be spelt out letter by letter. The change being suggested by the signal officer on Victory. I would suggest this dubious quote be deleted. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 20:22, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Noting your explanation, I have acted on your suggestion and deleted the second sentence of the passage I have quoted. We can leave it to the user who provided the citation to prove the veracity.Cloptonson (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Bit late now but I also find the claim dubious, per Muratroyd49. 'England expects' was Lt. Pascoe's contribution made on the day of the battle. The original intention was 'Nelson confides'. If Nelson said anything before, it would surely be the latter.--Ykraps (talk) 06:54, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Demonym

How does one add the demonym "Portmuthian" to the infobox, to match with other cities? Presumably it should go between the nickname and the motto. Hyperman 42 (talk) 10:23, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Not one I've ever come across, do you have a source? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:07, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Population

The second paragraph begins with a sentence that mentions, "population last recorded at 238,800", but that figure doesn't tie to what's in the infobox. Or anything else in the article, as far as I could tell. It should be corrected/updated. By the way, the reference for population in the infobox (ref #1) should also be updated, as it refers to info published in 2011 and doesn't support the 2021 population. Regards, PKT(alk) 14:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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Lead section

Hi, I haven't been part of this good article and I don't intend starting now, beyond this talk page comment. The lead stands out immediately as too long, or more precisely, it has too many paragraphs - four is enough or six as maximum if really needed. Perhaps someone would like to tidy it up, such as getting rid of those stand-alone sentences? However, it's a good article. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

The general rule of thumb is usually one paragraph in the lead per section in the article. There are 18 sections so, given the length of the article, a long lead isn't inappropriate. I agree it does feel a little long at first glance though. WaggersTALK 12:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

MOS:LEADLENGTH says three to four paragraphs as a guideline which seems to be the approach of other articles even very long ones. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Why was all information on the nickname 'Pompey' deleted?

I came to this article in order to understand what the term 'Pompey' meant in realtion to Portsmouth and found nothing, even though the disambiguation page fpr 'Pompey' states it is actually a nickname for the town and its naval base. Looking at the article's history, I then found that the article had indeed included substantial information on that name which appeared in all versions up to and including that of 13 June 2020, 00:32, but that from the next version onwards (13 June 2012, 0:46), that information was all gone despite the fact that a comparison of the preceding revisions shows that nobody seems to have acually deleted it. Could somebody who knows how to handle such a case look at that, and ideally restore the information? 78.55.71.236 (talk) 20:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)