Talk:Dead Boys

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Perhaps I'm letting POV get in the way here, but I think "Sonic Reducer" is regarded as a MAJOR punk classic, as opposed to a "minor" one, as this article currently says. I'm not sure how one can quantify that sort of thing. It's on every comprehensive punk rock compilation I've ever seen, though, if that's a valid criterion. Personally I don't think it's just POV since I don't even really like most of the other Dead Boys songs.

Well I'll leave it as it is for now. Does anyone else agree that "Sonic Reducer" is regarded as a major punk classic? Note I'm not asking if YOU think it's a major punk classic, just whether it's regarded as such.  :)

Sonic reducer, ain't no loser.

• I agree, I think it's a pretty important punk song and is regarded as such. It was on Sire Records' recent retrospective compilation of important songs from their history --Avwhite 22:23, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• I agree, its more than minor. if you search google you can see Pearl Jam covered it (no idea why). DanieldaSilva

• Um sure, there's a ton of references to this band, album and song here: [1] I think you could justify "punk classic" from one of the reviewers there.(Astrocloud 05:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC))

I think there legend has actally grown over the years.Thier music has aged well,much better than The Lords of The New Church.StivCa 20:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

New Gigs

It says on billboard.com [2] that the Dead Boys are playing a gig to benefit CBGBs - is this true? How? I think the wiki entry should be updated if they've reformed somehow (sans Stiv, of course) methelfilms 07:12, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I Added a photo onto the page....tom-da-bomb

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Sourcing

Just a little feedback on the sources added by DanDavidCook in this edit. Thanks for adding references -- the sourcing in this article, overall, is really thin, so this is one of the most valuable kinds of improvements you can make.

1. On a technical level, what you did is good, but there's one more step to most "elegantly" combine the multiple citations to the same source -- look closely at what I did here: [3] Specifically, after the first instance of the citation -- once you've created it and named it -- you can then refer back to it with a simpler format. So in this case, you can replace the 2nd and 3rd instance of the reference with this simpler text: <ref name=Punk77Website />
2. In general, I think the source you have added is not especially good, in terms of Wikipedia's definition of a "reliable source". This is probably a challenging thing in the punk rock topic in general, since the topic of punk rock is not exactly an area where you'd expect to find a strong emphasis on the reliability of publishers, documentation of editorial practices, etc. But Wikipedia is not all that flexible on these points. Punk77's web site does not seem to have an "about us" page on their web site, or express anything about their editorial or fact-checking practices.

I don't think point #2 is a problem in this instance, because the specific facts attributed to this source do not seem especially dubious or controversial. There is a bit of flexibility when it comes to citing straightforward facts. But overall, to substantially improve an article like this, the best thing would be to find some coverage in well established publications with visible and respectable editorial practices, and incorporate those citations into the article. -Pete (talk) 21:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi DanDavidCook -- I see you're adding more references, looking good! Do look into point #1 above, as reusing reference code will lead to a tidier article, easier for others to edit, etc. -Pete (talk) 18:19, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 22 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane ^talk 06:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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The Dead Boys → Dead Boys – Proper band title RF23 (talk) 13:17, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). -- Dane ^talk 18:52, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

The cited sources seem to refer to them predominantly as "The Dead Boys". Ringerfan23 only recently changed the article body to consistently use "Dead Boys". Build consensus on the talk page and find sources. Daask (talk) 17:57, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

The sources are wrong. The band's name is listed as "Dead Boys" on all of their releases, their music on online catalogues such as spotify, apple music, amazon and google play music, allmusic, amongst others. Meanwhile many articles properly source the name. Several sources cite them as the Dead Boys (or The Dead Boys at the beginning of a paragraph/sentence) where that grammar fits, but The Dead Boys is not the name of the band, similar to how Red Hot Chili Peppers are not The Red Hot Chili Peppers and Foo Fighters are not The Foo Fighters, despite being referred to that in articles. RF23 (talk) 18:03, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ringerfan23: I think you misunderstand me. The isn't about persuading me or anyone else, but about adding content to the article. See WP:But it's true! Please consider adding mention of the band name to the article, perhaps in a footnote, citing the sources you have suggested, while being mindful of WP:RS. I am doubtful that the catalogs are reliable sources.

Upon reviewing your sources, I agree with your proposed title change, but not with your changes to article phrasing, which I have reverted. Virtually all the sources you cited refer to them as "the Dead Boys" in sentences. Daask (talk) 13:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• Support: The band knows what their own name is, and uses "Dead Boys". There is no confusion potential, so whether various later sources erroneously tack on a "The" sometimes (as they do with all such plural-form band names, e.g. Pixies and Barenaked Ladies) is ultimately irrelevant. This is a WP:ABOUTSELF matter: the primary sourcing of the band's own materials is sufficient to establish what their name really is. Support also per WP:THE: We never prefix a "The" unless RS do so with almost totally uniform consistency, and that simply isn't the case here.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:06, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:THE. Sources do not consistently use the "The" in caps.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:11, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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