Talk:Raphael (archangel)

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Planet

Does anyone know which planet is Raphael associated with?

None, though a linkage may have been invented in popularized "arcane" astrology of the 20th century, for the simple reason that, until the archangels were multiplied with invented names, there were not enough archangels to match up with the six known planets, and the additional planets that have been discovered by the use of the telescope since Uranus never had an archangel "associated" with them. Even the fanciful lists of angels at "Metareligion.com" don't make the link.--Wetman 23:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Raphael rules over the day of Wednesday and the Planet Mercury (anon. User:24.206.212.57]])

There ya go! That's the answer the question actually deserves! (I'd be mildly curious to know when this connection was first made. Anyone?) --Wetman 19:52, 25 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My guess would be sometime in the late 19th century. Try checking the grimoire or quabalah section at sacred-texts.com. --Corvun 20:41, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

...Yes, and then Pluto was noticed in 1930, occasioning a reshuffling of the Celestial Cabinet, perhaps? --Wetman 13:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Israfel

Is Israfel the same as Raphael? If so, could the material from that article be merged into this? --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC, Raphael and Uriel were alternate names for the same Archangel, or at least their names were etymologically related or confused with one another in early contexts. I'm not entirely sure about the connection to Israfel, though I may have some information somewhere here in my home. Of course, sources both ancient and modern can be awfully darned variable on these matters. The names of Raphael and Israfel may have been interchangeable in some treatments, and distinct in others, as is very often the case with Archangels, Angels, Seraphs, Cherubs, and all the other choirs of the Heavenly Host. --Corvun 10:18, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

As mentioned in the article Israfel is the Arabic name for the Hebrew angel Raphael. I think the articles should be merged. --Sam 00:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Corvun - what is your evidence that "Raphael and Uriel were alternate names for the same Archangel, or at least their names were etymologically related or confused with one another in early contexts"? They seem distinct to me and the Hebrew roots are different referring to healing and light, respectively.

--Sam 00:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Please, the article is deliberately confusing the two, with no reliable source. Editors of the article should remove this nonsense! Apology for not signing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.55.167.160 (talk) 19:23, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mordern "Hebrew" meanings of names and angels and such...

It is kind of evident that the meanings given to a name nowadays is obtained by the life an individual had in the scripture. This being the case there are a few constants that do not make sence when read in newly found "ancient texts". The mordern denegration of azazel etc... some people forget that in the bible god preformed some very evil act against the wicked. I myself would take some of the meanings with critical eye, which I do. Some people make the mistake of beliveing the bible should be interprited as the jews can do no wrong or that god has undeing love for themselves, not nessicaraly the jews mind you, and only hates "other" people that don't agree with them

How I goanna now which one is my angel and what is his symbol??? My date of birth is 28.11.1984

Hebrew word for a doctor is Rophe

Suggest deleting the sentence:

"The Hebrew word for a doctor of medicine is Rophe connected to the same root word as Raphael."

This fact is not interesting or relevant to the article. Many 3 letter roots in Hebrew occur in many contexts. --Sam 00:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Judaism

Since modern Judaism rejects the deuterocanonical books, how is Raphael a figure in Judaism? Of course, since the books were produced by Jews, there must have been some connexion at one time, but surely not now? Nyttend 14:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Judaism. Judaism does not end with the Biblical books. Raphael is a figure in Judaism and is associated with healing. In Jewish post-biblical writings there are four Archangels Raphael Uriel Gabriel and Michael.

In the Jewish prayer often recited before going to sleep: "To my right Michael and to my left Gabriel, in front of me Uriel and behind me Raphael, and over my head God's Shekhinah"

There is a good article on the four archangels with a paragraph or more on Raphael at http://www.jhom.com/topics/angels/talmud_fourangels.htm

The references in that article to Jewish Midrash & Talmud (leaving aside apocryphal works) referencing the 4 Archangels including Raphael make the point:

quote: [1] Numbers Rabbah 2:10 [2] 10:13, 21; 12:1 and Daniel 8:16; 9:21 [3] JT, RH 1:2, 56d [4] Gen. Rabbah 48:9-50:2 [5] Gen. Rabbah 63:14 [6] Deut. Rabbah 2:34 [7] Eccles. Rabbah 9:11, 2 [8] Deut. Rabbah 11:10 [9] Job 25:2; Deut. Rabbah 5:12 [10] Otiyyot de-Rabbi Akiva Shin [11] BT Berakhot 4b [back] [12] Exodus Rabbah 2:5 [back] [13] Exodus Rabbah 18:5[back] [14] Midrash Va-Yosha in A. Jellinek, Beit ha-Midrash, 1:38 [back] [15] BT Baba Metzia 86b [back] [16] Gen. Rabbah 44:13 [back] [17] Deut. Rabbah 11:10 [back] [18] Exodus Rabbah 18:5n [back] [19] BT Yoma 77a [back] [20] Esther Rabbah 7:12) [back] [21] BT Sotah 10b [back] [22] BT Sotah 13b [back] [23] BT Sotah 33a [back] [24] Exodus Rabbah 1:24 [back] [25] Exodus Rabbah 1:26 [back] [26] Exodus Rabbah 18:5 [back] [27] Numbers Rabbah 2:10 [back] [34] BT Yoma 37a; Baba Metzia 86 [back] end-quote

Really, this wikipedia entry should have a short section on the angel Raphael in Judaism.

See also http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=106&letter=R for an article on Raphael in Judaism. --Sam 00:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete Literature section?

Are there any really notable bits in the Literature section? It looks like a catch-all for trivia to me. If I don't hear a defense of it, I may delete it soon. Mlouns 01:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last call on the Literature section. I will likely delete it really soon. Mlouns (talk) 01:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's kind of strange that you would delete the mention of Raphael in Paradise Lost, seeing that he plays an important part in a major work of English literature. Very Irresponsible!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.60.120 (talk) 17:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image Change

I replaced the image with an image in the public domain which serves the same purpose and is of higher quality. "The former image" was a two demensional reproduction of an Icon copyrighted by Monastery Icons http://www.monasteryicons.com/. As such it is copyrighted by Monsatery Icons. That image ought to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Commment (talk • contribs) 09:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

== List of Churches == I'd like to add my Granfather Dr.Raymond Palmere's Parish in Livingston NJ named after dear Raphael here is a link to the page.http://straphaelnj.org/about-us/history/THANK YOU.10:54 am 3 September 2014 TMPG74.79.115.205 (talk) 14:55, 3 September 2014 (UTC) I'd like to delete the entire paragraph that begins, "Raphael is rarely the patron of Christian churches." The statement is not interesting to begin with, it seems increasingly untrue (from the mounting counter-evidence), and it has led into a long list of "me-toos" naming every church with the name, notable or not. Any objections? Mlouns (talk) 17:34, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last call -- does anyone want to keep any of this, or shall I axe the paragraph? Mlouns (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reference to missing illustration

I removed a sentence (the one starting "Seen here...") that seemed to me referring to an accompanying illustration. That illustration isn't in the article and, looking back over two years of edits, hasn't been in the article since at least February of '09. If someone wants to dredge up the illustration, vet it, and restore the sentence, it would probably work better as a caption anyway. --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 09:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Raphael in other books

Raphael is also mentioned in the Book of Tobit, the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg, and in the writings of Jakob Lorber. It seems Raphael is an angelic society much like Michael and Gabriel that are mentioned in the protestant (66 book) Bible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billcompugeek (talk • contribs) 07:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bizarre illustration

"Vectorial representation of Archangel Raphael atop a fish." Words fail me. Is this "original research"? I don't think it's an illustration of any cultural phenomenon related to the subject of the article. —Wegesrand (talk) 16:35, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is weird for art. Although a fish is common iconography for Raphael, as explained next to the image. The question is: do we have a plethora of representative art that we can substitute for this one, or is this the only free stuff available to illustrate the article? If we can replace it, I would fully support that. Elizium23 (talk) 18:43, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Review

complete the sentences.If you answer them correctly,the boxed letter will spell confirmed.

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Michael the Archangel

A Conversation is happening on the Talk page of Michael (archangel), the Proposal is changing the Article's Name from Michael (archangel) to Michael the Archangel, if this Change happens this article will probably change his name from Raphael (archangel) to Raphael the Archangel, see This Talk Page to Reaching a Consensus. (Pseudo-Dionysius the areopagite (talk) 21:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC))[reply]

2001:8f8:1335:758d:90d6:c82e:a1f5:16db and his edits

This person is getting to be a pest. For what it;s worth, I can attest that his idea of how Arabic should be transcribed is wrong. I think an IP block is in order. Achar Sva (talk) 11:54, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]