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Commonwealth Head of State

quote, "Being a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, the head of state of Saint Lucia is the British monarch"

This seems to imply all Commonwealth nations have the British monarch as their head of state..?

A: Saint Lucia is a Commonwealth Realm and recognises the British monarch as head of state. Other members of the Commonwealth of Nations have their own heads of state. Vivenot 10:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board

I would like to announce the establishment of the Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board]]. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. Guettarda 1 July 2005 04:11 (UTC)

Category:Saint Lucian Wikipedians

Wikipedia are in the process of re-implementing the userlists of Wikipedia:Wikipedians into a set of Categories, so I've set up Category:Saint Lucian Wikipedians.

To add yourself to this list, insert the following on your user page:

[[Category:Saint Lucian Wikipedians|Your Username]]

I look forward to hearing from other Lucian Wikipedians soon!

Vivenot 16:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if there are many other Lucians here, but you might want to add your name to Wikipedia:List of Caribbean Wikipedians. Guettarda 16:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I'm an idiot, you already did. Guettarda 16:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No Worries mate! It's nice to meet you. Hope to chat to you and other Caribbean Wikipedians soon Vivenot 16:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tourism

Before I went as a tourist, I had a look here to see what to expect - and didn't find much. I've added a little section and 2 pictures, but feel this could be extended quite a lot. What about a section of resorts/hotels on the island, including facts about them and perhaps a rating of some sort? amertner 23:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

needs to be tidied up a bit reads like a tourist brochure Khukri 10:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As of right now, the tourism section is POV and needs to be changed. Furthermore, the section should be merged into the section on economics. I'm adding a POV tag until the necessary changes are made. --The Way 05:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you mean it is currently POV?--Vivenot 09:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I removed all the language that seemed POV, and there was a lot of it. I also removed the POV tag, however I'm still not sure that tourism needs its own section... --The Way 05:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ok im doing a project on st.lucia and there (here in wikipeida) is nothing about traditions or customs!!! someone help! -ashleyluvzpetewentz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyluvzpetewentz (talk • contribs) 01:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You'd have much better luck looking elsewhere. The WP article is still very much a WIP. Chensiyuan (talk) 07:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anybody know anything about the environment (or wildlife) of ST lucia? Seems like an important element taht is missing from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheChonkster (talk • contribs) 22:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Culture?

Is the culture section here getting too big or too difficult for the page itself? I have nominated Culture of Saint Lucia for deletion, because I think that this entails all the material there, and goes above and beyond that, and that that article could thus be deleted pretty safely. Feel free to weigh in on this at [[1]] or to leave comments on my user talk page. Thank you.-Kmaguir1 08:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong disagree - Culture of Saint Lucia should be kept as every country has a culture article (refer to [[2]]. --Vivenot 15:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed WikiProject

There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including Saint Lucia, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Can anybody add some information as to the proper pronunciation of the name "Saint Lucia"? I've heard it pronounced (in English) as something like "Saint Looshia", where the "c" had a sound similar to its sound in Italian. What's the origin of that pronunciation? --Cotoco 23:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The correct pronunciation of the country is "Loo-shya". The IPA transcription of this article needs to be changed to reflect this, unfortunately I am not able to do it. --Vivenot 10:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you happen to know why it's pronounced like that? As I said, this pronunciation seems to have an Italian influence to it. Is that how people usually pronounce the name "Lucia" in most anglophone countries? --Cotoco 08:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, where does the -ia come from? French has -ie, english has -y. 87.103.125.82 (talk) 10:57, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

-ia endings are Latin. The French is Sainte-Lucie, as you'd rightly pointed out. JonChapple ^Talk 20:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, why does the island have a Latin name? Is it because it changed hands so often that a name that did not have to be changed to reflect the language of the latest ruler was more convenient? It would be interesting to know. 95.146.141.219 (talk) 12:26, 2 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This pronunication (albeit correct) is weird entirely. In both Italian and Latin, the ci sound is like ch in English. How did they get from "Lucie" (-see) to an "sh" sound should be articulated into this article. Weird from every linguistic aspect, certainly everyone gets this wrong the first time. Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Finding the BrE pronunciation guide bizarre - I'm British, of St Lucian heritage and the attribution for AmE is far closer to how it's pronounced in England. (Certainly in Scotland/Wales/N. Ireland - whose dialects are routinely passed over in considerations for IPA on BrE - St Lucia is not pronounced as represented) I think it would be appropriate to get rid of the BrE pronunciation guide because it simply doesn't reflect reality. 82.29.123.32 (talk) 01:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC) T.Norville 02:30 BST[reply]

Religion ?

http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/diplo/de/Laenderinformationen/01-Laender/StLucia.html

90 % are catholic ? 212.95.99.4 (talk) 04:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about CIA world factbook? Chensiyuan (talk) 04:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to article there are no Jews on St. Lucia other than a few American Jewish medical students. We should change the article I believe.Mwinog2777 (talk) 16:24, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

official language

This article contradicts itself. One can read in the infobox that the official languages are English, French Patois ans Spanish but in the text only English is mentioned as an official language.

What is true? Are there one or three official languages?
If there are three, why is Spanish an official language?
Which are the sources? What does the constitution say?

Aaker (talk) 00:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That appears to be either a mistake or vandalism. Every other source I can find on the internet says that English is the only official language. Funnyhat (talk) 06:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Aaker (talk) 23:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/st.html) has English as only official language. Hence I shall write non-official language. Sarcelles (talk) 20:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Lucian Creole French has been entered as one of the official languages again. Sarcelles (talk) 19:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Shade of Blue

The image of the flag on the page right now is using the old (1979-2002) shade of blue. The modern flag of Saint Lucia is much lighter, like in the previous version of the image. Can anyone fix this? (And maybe upload the current version as a separate historical flag or something.) Thanks. Orange Tuesday (talk) 18:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind! Fixed it myself. Orange Tuesday (talk) 19:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mick Jagger

I have removed the comment about Mick Jagger having owning a property on the island. This is something that local tour guides often say to wow people on the tour. Mick Jagger has visited the island but does not own a home here. It is correct that the boxer George Foreman owns a home here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.213.196 (talk) 14:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patois

One part of the article says that Patois is a language, and another says that Creole is a patois. Somebody who knows about such things should edit the document for consistency and accuracy. Ronstew (talk) 19:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patois and Creole is the same... Some people say Patois and some people say Creole —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.179.196 (talk) 05:40, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, "patois" is a general term for any nonstandard language, while "creole" is a more specific term for a natural language developed by the mixing of multiple languages. 138.16.18.34 (talk) 16:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How far?

How far is the equator from saint lucia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.225.63 (talk) 19:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The shape of power socket in ST. LUCIA

I wonder the shape of power socket in ST. LUCIA. Perhaps, it's a british-3pin or european-2pin.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.173.189.129 (talk) 06:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory Information

Hi all, this is my first time editing a "talk" page, so I'm not so sure if I'm doing it right, but I just wanted to point out that the intro to the article states that "The island nation has been the home of two Nobel laureates, Arthur Lewis and Derek Walcott. It is the nation with the second most such honorees per capita after the Faroe Islands." while the Demographics section states that "Saint Lucia boasts the highest ratio of Nobel laureates produced with respect to the total population of any country in the world." I was just pointing this out with the hopes that someone with more knowledge on the subject can fix it. 174.59.166.229 (talk) 19:57, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Population

The percentage of ethnic division of population is more than 100%??? 46.47.119.155 (talk) 23:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-European history

I think the history section needs at least a few words about the island's inhabitants prior to European invasion. 138.16.18.34 (talk) 16:50, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't the Africans count for anything? But certainly, we should hear more about the island's original invaders. 24.130.15.8 (talk) 04:14, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There's no such thing as an "original invader". People who occupy previously uninhabited land are settlers. Laodah 18:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hotel Chocolat?

Is it worth mentioning the cocoa plantation and hotel that Hotel Chocolat have here? It seems somewhat 'out of it' to not mention it, I mean surely that thing brings in a bit of tourism itself? MM (I did the who in the whatnow?) ^{(I did it!)} 17:06, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is the role of the Quarters?

They are equated with parishes in the article. Do they function as civil administrative districts? Do they have local officers? Councils? How are these elected or appointed? Over what matters do they have jurisdiction, if any? This sort of information should be included in the section on the Quarters. At present there is just a list of their names. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 21:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Crime

Remarkable that there is no section within the Saint Lucia page on crime in Saint Lucia, nor even a link to the latter.. The word 'crime' does not even appear on the page. As it is now, the whole Saint Lucia page could have been written by the St Lucia Tourism Board and no doubt was. A very sanitised and poor effort to date. 124.187.33.41 (talk) 12:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Who is "De Rousselan"?

In the History section, French Colony it says "De Rousselan was appointed the island's governor, took a Carib wife and remained in post until his death in 1654." Who is "De Rousselan"? Why is he mentioned by last name when he is not introduced by full name anywhere in the article? Even if he in mononymous, there should be some explanation of who he is.Probablynoteworthy (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Louis de Kerengoan, sieur de Rousselan from Martinique was a military officer who led French settlers to Santa Lucia to set up a fort. He also had hopes of establishing a permanent settlement on the island. Just about the first thing de Rousselan did was marry a Carib woman. He was appointed governor in 1653. The settlers had no problems with the Caribs. Until de Rousselan died in 1654 and they began attacking the settlement. Then they went on to kill three fresh governors, one after another. (Yes, I just learned all this today.) ObadiahKatz (talk) 04:22, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"Débòt" & "Moulala" dance !?

Hello, is there anyone who knows about traditional Saintelucian dance ???

I would like to know if the "Debòt" and "Moulala" dances are traditional of St. Lucia and if they are still danced there, please, thank you ! PouLagwiyann (talk) 02:56, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing Amerindians with Arawaks

I suggest that the term 'Amerindians' in the very first paragraph be changed to the more specific term 'Arawaks'.

Amerindian is the broad term for indigenous groups across the Americas. The term Arawak, however, specifically refers to the Caribbean group that occupied the Eastern Caribbean prior to the Caribs. Both Arawaks and Caribs fall under the category of Amerindian, so it is more accurate to use the appropriate name for the initial group of people.

The Pre-colonial period subsection under the History section of this article and the page History of Saint Lucia already use the term 'Arawaks' as opposed to 'Amerindians', so this should remain consistent within the article. - Shayvory (talk) 14:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The article looks very good, and I wish you luck with your GA nomination. A few notes to use or ignore as you see fit:

Maybe spell out Saint every time, or don't. This might be a fraught decision.
History is too long (for US cities, the guideline is 10 paragraphs). Is it possible to move some to History of Saint Lucia?
Just general comment, I don't think single sentences should be a paragraph. I'd encourage you to combine these where possible.
Can "Double Taxation Relief" be combined into one para? (I'm trying to decide if all three parts refer to the same treaty.)
similarly, FATCA. Can the early treaty come first and both sections be one para?
only necessary to say a member of La Francophonie once (we have three times now)

Best wishes. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Unsuccessful. Etrius ( Us) 20:19, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Saint Lucia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Etriusus (talk · contribs) 19:32, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will get this review. Standby for suggestions. I am concerned by the lack of edits you have made to the page (I count only 10). It is customary, albeit not required, that any nominator is a majority contributor with a fairly advanced understanding of the topic.

Images

Everything seems to be in order.

Copy-vios

[3] this appears to be a reverse copying of the wikipedia page. Not a copy-vio but good to note.

Sources

There is a citation needed tag that has yet to be addressed

In general, this page is missing a lot of citations.

and a globe in the Vatican made in 1520, shows the island as Sancta Lucia.
de facto French colony well into the eighteenth century.
cane as a commodity crop on large plantations in 1765.
upon which he returned to Britain before 1798.
etc....

Prose

The health subsection is completely empty.
There are multiple subsections where the page could be reasonably expanded. Especially since they link to pre-established articles.
The format of this page can also be re-worked. There are a number of stand alone sentences that are treated like paragraphs. This makes the page read as a list of facts rather than a coherent narrative.

These are entire paragraphs that are missing citations. This is also only the first 3rd or so of the article, the issue is worse as the page goes on. Wikipedia requires that all articles have WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY sources. This is especially true to GA's since there they, on some level, have an implicit community endorsement as being decently written. In fact, there are entire sections where citations are missing.

At this time, the page will quick fail. It would be largely futile to go line by line since, without any sources, I am left to assume this is WP:OR. This isn't meant to scare you off from GA. Trying to nominate a country for your first GA is very ambitious, and I commend you for that, but understand that it is going to be a massive undertaking to get a level 4 vital article to GA. My recommendation is to start with a smaller article and learn the ropes. Consider Wikipedia:WikiProject Vital Articles if you want help with this page. Hope to see you around more!!! Etrius ( Us) 20:18, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Replacing Amerindian with Indigenous

Look, despite what was said 4 years ago the last time it was brought up, I'm pretty sure "Amerindian" is not a broad term used for Indigenous peoples. Maybe it is in the States, but not everywhere else. The term is only used twice in the article, both easily replaced by the word "indigenous"- its simple, neutral, and oh yeah, not an anachronist, colonialist racial slur!

Better yet, if we know the specific names of the Indigenous cultures involved here, why not just use their names and avoid epithets like Amerindian or Indigenous altogether?

It takes quite a lot to motivate me to post on article talk pages. I wasn't about to unilaterally edit a country's wiki article myself even to replace a few instances of one word, I'm not that bold. I just wanted to draw attention to it. Thanks. Goddale120 (talk) 02:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]