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Just going to note here that I populated a lot of Preps 1 through 5, and thus I cannot promote.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it that the next six preps contain five hooks on Polish literature, in addition to one that ran a couple of days ago? Did no-one think to space them out? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I actually reviewed the first hook last night as it was three in the morning and I couldn't sleep. From memory, the article seems fine, though both it and another exceeds 200 characters, and that Nazi hook definitely fails WP:DYKINT (and there probably shouldn't be two train hooks). I'll do a deep dive in the evening if no-one else does by then - and I think I'll pull every other Polish hook while I'm at it.--Launchballer 13:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled Krzyż i półksiężyc and kicked back Kazimierz Sakowicz.--Launchballer 17:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. I kicked back the second train hook and pulled the Nazi hook.--Launchballer 00:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While we're here, just noting that the currently-running image hook shouldn't be there per the "diversion" part of WP:DYKIMG (@ promoter Crisco 1492). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See also #How You Get the Girl.--Launchballer 13:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Planning on queuing prep 2 this evening. @Theleekycauldron, RoySmith, and Chipmunkdavis:, you've all raised concerns about Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip - have they been resolved or should it go to GAR, because I don't plan on kicking this back again (it's been in the preps over a month)?--Launchballer 16:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. I had some time last night to work on DYK, so I took a look at the next prep set up for promotion, i.e. Prep 2 where Destruction of cultural heritage during the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip is. I don't think we should be running that article because of the POV-pushing. I happen to agree with the POV, but I don't see the wikipedia main page as the place to be promoting that. The sigh at the beginning of this is because I fear I will get dragged into a longer discussion about this, which I don't want. But since you explicitly asked for my opinion, I've given it. RoySmith (talk) 16:34, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 to all of that. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled. I'll have a rummage round the preps after I've eaten, unless either of you want to promote something from Approved.--Launchballer 20:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is the POV supposedly being pushed, other than the neutral point of view of reliable sources that this military action has resulted in the destruction of cultural heritage? With sources like mainstream news (The Observer, NPR), academically-published journals (Public Archaeology, by Taylor and Francis)... I would hope that the existence of a people group's cultural heritage isn't to be considered too controversial to mention. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 20:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron, RoySmith, Chipmunkdavis, Launchballer, and Hydrangeans: Thank you for taking the time to consider the hook. I especially appreciate that extra time was given twice to address the concerns raised by editors, and a third time would not have been reasonable. I had been thinking about this myself as if further issues were raised I would not have time to adequately address them before the end of the month due to other commitments. It probably would not have been fair to the DYK community to take up more of their time.
While I am of course disappointed the actionable feedback here has helped. A topic of this nature was always going to be contentious. Where there are outstanding concerns about the article I am more than happy to discuss them at another venue, the article talk page might be best and GAR if needed. Richard Nevell (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Responding to ping, many of my points were addressed and the article improved, a couple of issues hung around. Much like RoySmith, this isn't something I am looking to go back into, I do wish more people had weighed in during the initial discussion. CMD (talk) 03:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 2

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Leonardo da Vinci (Isaacson book)

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@Crisco 1492, Panamitsu, and Tenpop421: This hook doesn't make sense. It feels like it's missing the second half of the sentence "... but ...." RoySmith (talk) 23:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like the fact that we were looking at this at the exact same time yet have generated completely different issues. I liked the hook a lot; I interpreted it to mean "that di Caprio was hired to play da Vinci" and felt that leaving the "why" off added interest (and adding it would have needed an end-of-sentence citation anyway).--Launchballer 00:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think "was" implies that that's not going to happen pretty clearly. It does rather beg a dependent clause, but I don't think it needs one.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The interesting part is that they both are named "Leonardo".
    Because Paramount's making of the movie did not end well and Warner Bros bought the rights to it in 2023, I wasn't sure if DiCaprio will still star in it, so I used "was" just in case. ―Panamitsu (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ewa Ligocka

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@Crisco 1492, Innisfree987, and David Eppstein: I think this needs to be qualified with "Was said to have" or something like that instead of stating the fact in wiki voice. RoySmith (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mały Brzostek

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@Filipny, Wasianpower, and Crisco 1492: Hook needs an end-of-sentence citation. (I actually saw this when I was looking for stuff to plug prep 1 with, so should have posted here then. Also, are we really alright with two Polish hooks in the same set?)--Launchballer 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Three Polish hooks! This should probably be delayed per WP:DYKVAR.--Launchballer 23:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source was provided with the hook, but it’s in Polish so as a non-speaker I don’t feel comfortable adding an inline citation for it. Original nominator doesn’t seem super active lately (2 edits in the last month) but hopefully they see this and can fix it; if not maybe another Polish speaker could take a look. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: what exactly am I supposed to do? Should I just add a citation at the end of this sentence: In the 15th-16th centuries, Mały Brzostek no longer appears in documents, while the term "Suburbium" or "Przedmieście" is introduced? Filipny (talk) 14:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking "absorbed", but either works.--Launchballer 14:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: done, I believe. Filipny (talk) 21:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Filipny: The good news is that this is all done and is otherwise ready for queue. The bad news is that, per #Is this polish week at DYK?, there are a lot of Polish hooks on deck and yours has been delayed per WP:DYKVAR.--Launchballer 21:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: alright, cool. Thanks! Filipny (talk) 21:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fishing cat

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@Wolverine X-eye and Kevmin: There's a sentence in the article that also appears in http://www.catsg.org/index.php?id=121. Who copied who?--Launchballer 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No matter, I have reworded the paragraph to address the copyvio concerns.--Kevmin § 02:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 3

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St Mary's Church, Chislehurst

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@Cardofk, Dumelow, and Crisco 1492: I was going to suggest swapping this with Mały Brzostek above per WP:DYKVAR as that set had three Polish hooks and this one has three English hooks, however the hook needs an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 01:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My concern has been resolved. This can be swapped.--Launchballer 01:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canticle V: The Death of Saint Narcissus

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I promoted this one, so I'll need another set of eyes. I will assess the remaining six hooks when the last slot is filled.--Launchballer 01:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I should have said 'Approved'.--Launchballer 01:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Crisco 1492: This is now Queue 3. Two Gerda/classical music hooks in the set, so one needs bunping to a later set. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sack of Delhi (1757)

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@Noorullah21, ThaesOfereode, and Crisco 1492: Hook needs an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My concern has been resolved.--Launchballer 00:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shuah Khan

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@AbdulRahim2002, TParis, Paul2520, and Mary Mark Ockerbloom: There's significant WP:CLOP with Linux.com.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Launchballer would you review again? I've updated the wording that was a 5.7% match via Earwig's; it is now down to 4.8% for that source.
The only other flagged text I see is "chair of the ELISA Project Technical Steering Committee", which I believe is not copyvio as it is a title.
Let me know if you have any other concerns! = paul2520 💬 23:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You should know that Earwig is not the be-all and end-all, but you have resolved my concern.--Launchballer 00:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last Call BBS

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@CanonNi, Bogger, and JuniperChill: Hook says "chip-manufacturing", article says "circuit creation". Which is it, and what makes the hook compliant with WP:DYKFICTION given that it comprises nothing other than gameplay?--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, from the youtube clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKuGDP-Dfi0) embedded in the av club link, it's "circuit creation". As to whether or not it's WP:DYKFICTION compliant, I think (like with Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Mario_Party_DS) the hooks conveys what the creators have put into the game, not what exists in the fictionalised world. They are features, not plot points. - Bogger (talk) 16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pablo Barragán

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I promoted this one, so need more eyes.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interstate 59 in Alabama

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@NoobThreePointOh and Soman: Not technically a DYK issue, but I'd feel a lot happier if some of these paragraphs were broken up, I struggled to read them.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stuff Matters

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@DrOrinScrivello, Di (they-them), and JuniperChill: I think this violates WP:DYKMAJOR given that it's really about aerogels. That it happens to have been said in Stuff Matters seems vicarious.--Launchballer 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I see where you're coming from, the book does devote a significant number of pages to discussing aerogels, and it seems to me to be difficult to devise a hook for a non-fiction book that doesn't at least touch on the subject matter itself. For example, my most recent hook read, "... that the author of The Power of Babel claims that speakers of Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish are all speaking the same language?" That hook isn't inherently about the book either, but relays an interesting bit of info from the book and conveys one of its major themes, just as I think the Stuff Matters hook does (the theme in this case being the author's awe at the achievements of materials science).
With that said, I'm loath to spend undue volunteer time fighting tooth and nail over my nom, and I don't see another hook in the article that doesn't risk violating the same read of DYKMAJOR, so if the consensus is that this hook doesn't work then I'm fine with the nom being pulled. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 23:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t see anything wrong with the hook about aerogels. It’s not tangential to the subject, it’s directly related. Viriditas (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I withdraw my objection.--Launchballer 00:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DYKUBM

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Time to activate the unreviewed backlog mode? WP:DYKN is consistently hitting the WP:PEIS limit. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. The backlog's high due to the recent GA drive. There are some very easy closures/approvals near the top of the pile. Another day I think.--Launchballer 15:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset's list shows ~180 unapproved noms for the past week. If we can get that under 100, I'd think that's a good idea. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this polish week at DYK?

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As noted above, we transiently had 3 polish hooks in Queue 2, until one got swapped out (to Prep 3). I see we've got a bunch more on deck:

I'm curious what causes this sudden interest in polish topics. And wondering if we want to start spreading some of them out a bit more. RoySmith (talk) 14:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest pulling the ones in preps 3 and 7.--Launchballer 15:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All three were by Piotrus, who evidently is able to access Polish-language sources which are, in this case, about Polish topics. Sometimes an article expander/creator gets on a roll about a certain topic area. I remember when we had a spate of hooks about Amrita Sher-Gil's paintings, and before that a big run of hooks about Taylor Swift music. Such waves come and go. Perhaps a lot of Polish hooks have ended up in sets together because of effort to avoid overloading sets with U. S.-centric hooks accidentally resulting in multiple pulls from the same non-U. S. topic. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 18:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe Piotrus mentioned that a bunch of their articles from the Polish Wikipedia were translated and added to the English Wikipedia by someone else, and they had to scramble to get them nominated in time, hence the influx. They've since been approved, also fairly closely together, and promoters are concentrating on individual sets, not what's in the dates around them. I've moved the hook from Prep 3 to Prep 2 temporarily, since it's the last available prep, and it can be moved further down the line once additional preps become available. Prep 3 is now full, so it can be promoted to queue. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Theoretically yes, however there are now five American hooks in there and four British hooks.--Launchballer 18:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still three English, so I've raided your Chinese media slot. I'm also involved with Barragán, but I'll do the other seven now.--Launchballer 21:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did notice that the file says 'public domain in the US but not China'. How does this affect the main page?--Launchballer 22:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

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The previous list was archived yesterday, so I've created a new list of 31 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through October 23. We have a total of 320 nominations, of which 142 have been approved, a gap of 178 nominations that has increased by 16 over the past 7 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!

More than one month old

Other nominations

Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All queues are empty

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@DYK admins: All queues are empty and there are two hooks I promoted'm involved with in #Prep 3, so I can't queue it.--Launchballer 00:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should be able to get to one later tonight. —Ganesha811 (talk) 00:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I can do one later today (it's quite late here now). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Three queues filled now. I only did one of them, not taking credit for the other two! WaggersTALK 12:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kazimierz Sakowicz is basically fine, although the hook/article probably ought to say 'of people', and it's a crying shame that "that Kazimierz Sakowicz's diary was reconstructed from the contents of empty lemonade bottles" doesn't have an end-of-sentence citation because that would make a pretty good quirky.--Launchballer 13:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think "people" is implied by the sentence, but no objections to someone else changing it. Empty lemonade bottles would have been a fantastic hook. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It does appear to be in the source cited a sentence later, assuming Google can translate Hebrew: [1]. Is "Sinalka" = Sinalco? @Piotrus for awareness. —Kusma (talk) 14:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kusma @Launchballer @Crisco 1492 End of sentence lemonade cite added. It is probably most reliable (since that claim comes from the academic book about his diary, or its preface to be exact). סינלקה could be Sinalco (or "drinking bottles (Sinalka) with spring clips"), but I can't confirm it - would need a Hebrew speaker. Some Polish sources use the term "soda water bottles", I've added it with a relatively reliable refs. It's more of a trivia, really, he might have used more than one type of bottle, or maybe Sinalka=lemonade=soda water could be seen as synonyms, or maybe Sinalka lemonade was sold in soda bottles? I have no opinion on 'of people'. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If sources differ as to what used to be in them, then we probably shouldn't be putting one or the other on the main page as fact. "Soda bottles" maybe.--Launchballer 02:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 6: 2024 Kansas City metropolitan area rent strike (nom)

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@LunaEclipse, Morgan695, and AirshipJungleman29: First hooks are extraordinary claims, and this in particular is an incredibly sweeping claim made by a non-independent party, reprinted in a local paper. I'd honestly say it's more likely than not to be untrue, unless there's some really obvious procedural reason it has to be true. (Also, what does "target" mean in this case?) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 13:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has now been pulled from prep after no one responded to this JuniperChill (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Crisco 1492 and Theleekycauldron: It was still in queue, so I took it out myself. I'll replace it this evening.--Launchballer 16:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queue 7

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Feelie

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@AirshipJungleman29, Crisco 1492, and Drmies: I'm not convinced the license statement for the image is valid, as this is reproducing text. I think it would be WP:FAIRUSE for an article about the game, but probably not for this broader article. Any anyway, free use can't be on the main page. This should be looked at by somebody who is better at image licensing than I am.

Also, the "sexual roleplay" part of the hook is backed up by a footnote, not in the article text itself. And the "everything from" part isn't in the article at all. RoySmith (talk) 16:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • (ec) Hi RoySmith. The text "don't panic" and overall design fails to cross the threshold of originality in the United States, the country of origin, and thus the pin itself does not attract any copyright (this falls far short of the examples provided at Commons). We do have precedent for using cited footnotes for hook facts, as with Beijing Hanhai. As for the hook, ... that uses of feelies (example pictured) have ranged from copy protection to sexual roleplay? would also be feasible, as it does not limit their usage to only the two examples. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • RoySmith, I'm not concerned with "everything"--it's a turn of phrase, and isn't to be taken literally: I think it's clear they weren't used for elephant hunting or college football 7 on 7 practice. I suppose User:Crisco 1492's tweak mitigates that anyway. The sexual roleplay bit is clarified in the "Peril-sensitive sunglasses" source, which at least twice talks about "adult" or "more adult"--"It also illustrates how some feelies extend the game experience and can be reappropriated though [sic] role-playing and areas of play and fandom that are a bit more adult than the other examples." I have no opinion on the image, but I will gladly stand corrected. Drmies (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All-Russian Union of Assyrians "Khoyad-Atur"

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@AirshipJungleman29, Soman, and Tenpop421: The way the hook is worded doesn't quite match the article text. The hook says "accusations of irregularities" but the article states "marred with irregularities" in wiki voice and "accusations of bribery". Also, while this technically meets WP:DYK200, it's quite verbose and complicated. Is there something we could come up with that's terser? RoySmith (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There could be better ways of wording. We could remove 'accusations' from the hook, it could be something like "... that in the 1920s irregularities around the allocation of shoe polishing stations by the All-Russian Union of Assyrians "Khoyad-Atur" prompted violent tensions in Moscow?" --Soman (talk) 22:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about:
... that the Kyoyad-Atur's mishandling of shoe polishing stations led to violent conflicts?
That's pretty short and cover the major points. RoySmith (talk) 23:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Soman are you OK with the hook I suggested? RoySmith (talk) 14:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could add "in 1920s Moscow" just to be clear. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally ok, but I would prefer if 'Union of Assyrians' is visible in the hook. --Soman (talk) 09:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. RoySmith (talk) 16:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henri Claireaux

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@AirshipJungleman29, Dumelow, and BeanieFan11: The article talks about this in the past tense ("it had devolved") vs the hook's future tense ("would devolve"). Which is correct? RoySmith (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good spot. My reading of the source has it in the past tense so I think the hook should be changed to match the article - Dumelow (talk) 17:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. RoySmith (talk) 18:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds

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@AirshipJungleman29, PanagiotisZois, and Launchballer: We've just run He Fucked the Girl Out of Me and The Cock Destroyers, and the lead hook in this set mentions "sexual roleplay". I know about WP:NOTCENSORED, but I can't help but wonder if we're selecting hooks mostly for their shock value. RoySmith (talk) 16:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Just" is a bit of an exaggeration—one was 13 November, one yesterday, and this one will be in close to a week. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The set will have two sex-related hooks. Is there no reason why we can't just bump one of them? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Is the topic of "words that have a sexual element" an exception to WP:DYKVAR? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see the problem. There have been three sex-related articles with hooks appearing on the Main Page in the same month? Ok, and? Besides, compared to the initial hook about the sex scene involving a portable toilet, the one to be used is simply about the film's director referring to the movie as "gaysploitation". That's not exactly all that sexual, let alone to the point of "shock value". PanagiotisZois (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold on. I failed to notice that the queue also has the "feelie" article in it. Is the problem that a sex-related hook will appear so soon after the previious one on He Fucked the Girl Out of Me, or the fact that this queue will have two-sex related hooks? Because the latter isn't exactly accurate. The hook on feelies is sex-related. The one on Eating Out 2 isn't. PanagiotisZois (talk) 17:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't have promoted them to the same set personally, but I don't think this violates WP:DYKVAR.--Launchballer 22:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date request

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Hello. Sorry if this is the incorrect place to post this. I'd like to know if it is possible for Template:Did you know nominations/Every Night (Hannah Diamond song) to appear on November 24, 2024, for a 10th anniversary hook. Thanks! Skyshiftertalk 21:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quirky for that day was also a date suggestion, but I can't see any issues with this. If someone else promotes in the next 24 hours I'll be able to swap it.--Launchballer 22:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, where's your end-of-sentence citation?--Launchballer 22:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here. Skyshiftertalk 23:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, and for the date?--Launchballer 23:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. I've added it now. Skyshiftertalk 23:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me.--Launchballer 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oun Yao-ling

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... that the weightlifter Oun Yao-ling was asked to compete in the South African Games, but the opportunity was swiftly rescinded once the organisers found out he was Chinese?

@Cunard, PARAKANYAA, Crisco 1492, and Waggers: I don't think this hook meets WP:DYKHOOKBLP as it focuses on nothing other than an incident of racism. As there is a date request above, I recommend queuing the above date request in its place.--Launchballer 02:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't interpret this as a "negative aspect" of the BLP, in that there is no wrongdoing on his part. It's also not an insignificant fact given the ramifications of race on the Olympics in that specific case. But do what you want to do. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Prakanyaa that this isn't an "negative aspect" of the living person. If it reflects on anyone it would be the games organisation not the living person. TarnishedPathtalk 02:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I wouldn't consider this a negative aspect about him. It was the South African organizers being Lethal Weapon II villains.Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 03:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Point taken. I still think something from that set should be put back to entertain the above date request.--Launchballer 03:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You absolutely butchered my former name, but that's fine. I don't mind, it'll have it's glory day eventually. :) EF5 19:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a straight choice between Florentina Holzinger and Apricot dress of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy. I wrote the hook for Holzinger, so the dress it is. I'd still need another pair of eyes for the song hook.--Launchballer 03:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'll swap it after I've slept.--Launchballer 03:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I ended up using Charles J. M. Gwinn as the only one that was both clear at a small size and had been expressly approved at the nom.--Launchballer 12:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Swapped the top two hooks in queues 6 and 7.--Launchballer 19:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edward W. Gantt

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This is a recent GA promotion of mine. I think it has some really good DYK potential - an American slaveholder, pro-secession firebrand, and Confederate officer who later defected to the Union and after the Civil War worked with the Freedman's Bureau to improve the lives of former slaves. For various IRL reasons, I'm not going to have the time/energy to nominate this myself, so I'm sticking this out here in case anyone else thinks they can make an interesting hook out of it. Hog Farm Talk 03:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: ... that Edward W. Gantt went from owning slaves to speaking out against the practice? You'd need an end-of-sentence citation for the first half of that though.--Launchballer 10:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hog Farm or ... that Edward W. Gantt was a Confederate soldier who defected to the Union during the American Civil War? TarnishedPathtalk 11:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominated, with the caveat that I can't see all of the sources.--Launchballer 13:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't see the sources either but I'm going to AGF given it's a GA. TarnishedPathtalk 13:59, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer & TarnishedPath, this Wikipedia library link https://muse-jhu-edu.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/pub/189/edited_volume/chapter/2024970 is the chapter cited. The page range should start at page 64 (fn. 17 in the article). Page 66 is where his neighbors go on off on him in ways that are really of the time ("Most astonishing of all is Gantt on negro slavery. He is done with it. He swings off to the rankest abolitionism.") I think the citations in the article (citing different pages for different parts of the paragraph) are clear, but if it's ambigiuous for the hook fact, a citation for pages 64-68 could be added to the lead where the hook fact is stated. Rjjiii (talk) 18:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1

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Rei Nakashima

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I promoted this, so I can't help - but I will do the other two in the morning.--Launchballer 22:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yen and Ai-Lee

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Qian Jin Bao

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I can't see anything wrong with either.--Launchballer 13:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Children's Book of Virtues

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Looks good to me.--Launchballer 03:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Veiqia

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Wikipedia:Recent additions date error

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The hooks in Wikipedia:Recent additions are out of step. The DYKs for yesterday, 23 November, are listed at Wikipedia:Recent additions#24 November 2024, though the DYK notification on the relevant talk pages point correctly to #23 November 2024. Could this be fixed please? — Voice of Clam (talk) 08:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

right now, the way the bot is programmed, sets are archived according to the time they're taken off the Main Page :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At present the headers produced by the bot do not match the links produced by {{DYK talk}}, so one or the other needs fixing. — Voice of Clam (talk) 09:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've brought this up before, but apparently it's a feature and not a bug. Still can't get my head around it. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An article which I nominated for DYK, the bot didn't add the notice for some reason, so I did it manually. Same to my talk page JuniperChill (talk) 11:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Caused by this edit. (I believe there was talk of moving hooks within sets using PSHAW?)--Launchballer 12:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It makes some more sense if you expect DYK to sometimes be updated four times per day and sometimes only once every three days: you don't automatically know when the set that has been just archived has been put on the Main Page, but you do know what time it is now. (Having said that, I have reported this same issue as a bug before, so I certainly feel with the OP on this). —Kusma (talk) 14:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas DYK sets

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With Christmas just over four weeks away, I think this is a good time to ask: does DYK want to do sets for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day?

If yes, here are some potential hooks that can be used:

In addition, these articles are at WP:GAN and could potentially be used as Christmas hooks:

Thoughts about creating this set are welcome below. Z1720 (talk) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent idea. I did actually see the Christmas Invasion in prep and wondered why it wasn't being saved. Pinging @DoctorWhoFan91, Piotrus, DimensionalFusion, Thriley, and Grimes2: who are involved with the first two noms. (I've been putting off expanding Piri & Tommy for over a year and they did a track called "Christmas Time" if that's of any use?)--Launchballer 15:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Nominate it when its ready: if we decide not to use it for this set, the article will still be better. Z1720 (talk) 16:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine with me - I can review any new XMAS hook if pinged. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: I'm not really familiar with DYK- should I add somewhere that it should be saved for Christmas (I will read the instructions to DYK more comprehensively later). @Z1720: Great idea. Also, I'm working on another Christmas special- if it gets nominated and passed by then, I can nominate that for DYK too. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 11:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, what someone needs to do is pull the nom, leave a note, and put it in WP:SOHA. I've done that.--Launchballer 11:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas hooks should go into the "Special occasions" section at the bottom of the WP:DYKN page. Thanks guys! Gatoclass (talk) 14:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While not a "Christmassy" hook, it would be nice if Template:Did you know nominations/HMT Night Hawk could run on Christmas Day for the 110th anniversary of her sinking - Dumelow (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today's DYK (fact that is unlikely to change)

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Just a heads up that I've edited the current Every Night hook to remove "released ten years ago today", as that violates WP:DYKHOOK: "The hook should include a definite fact that is unlikely to change". RoySmith (talk) 17:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: Why? This does not violate the guideline you stated, as the release date is unlikely to change. There is no prohibition to using relative dates, nor should there be. (We had references to "today" or similar all the time during the Olympics). —Kusma (talk) 18:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because that statement is only true today. Tomorrow that statement will be incorrect. RoySmith (talk) 19:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tomorrow that statement will not be on the Main Page. Everywhere it is archived, it is clear that "today" is referring to the day when the hook was on the Main Page. If you find that unclear, please suggest a modification of the wording of the rule so it expresses its spirit more clearly. —Kusma (talk) 19:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought this would be an uncontroversial change, but I guess not. I've reverted it. RoySmith (talk) 19:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. It may be worth discussing how explicit we want to be about anniversaries of this type, but let's do that separately from the "unlikely to change" rule. —Kusma (talk) 19:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should leave the anniversaries to OTD :-) RoySmith (talk) 19:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've had this sort of hook as an allowed special occasion type ever since I started at DYK, and it's not been seen as a problem before. As Kusma notes, the day it runs/ran will always be a fixed period in time from the original event, and that certainly shouldn't change. OTD deals with famous anniversaries; DYK can be more specialized. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might be useful to clarify exactly what the "unlikely to change" guideline even means as it's caused confusion in the past as to how it should be interpreted. Maybe a reword or rephrasing is in order? Like what does "unlikely to change" even mean: at the time the hook runs, or indefinitely? The current wording is vague. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
theleekycauldron, can I ask if there was any reasoning behind changing "established" to "definite" when the switch to WP:DYKCRIT was made? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
mm, no, I don't remember there being any intention behind that. Honestly, I think "unlikely to change" should be cut. There's nothing with temporally grounding a hook that only airs for one day, they're all time-indexed in the archives. Besides, we do that all the time when we refer to someone as alive or holding a current job when, inevitably, they won't be doing that at some point. We shouldn't be reporting breaking news at DYK, but the process takes so long I can't imagine how that would happen anyway.
As for "definite facts", I think it's important that we don't air that something can be true, or air an opinion or disputed fact as truth. We have to air either that something is true or that people say it is true (which is not the same thing as a single study suggesting something). But I think that hooks like tomato sandwich are fine, great even. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 11:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, what do people think about:
... that the name of Kim Jong Un's daughter has not been publicly disclosed?
in Prep 3? RoySmith (talk) 15:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A little trickier, because it's theoretically possible that her name has been disclosed since the article was written - somebody might want to check that just before it hits the main page. Other than that, I would suggest adding the word "preteen", because the really amazing part is that the girl is 11 or 12 years old and still nobody outside the regime knows her name! Gatoclass (talk) 15:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ragnvi Torslow

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@MumphingSquirrel, Crisco 1492, and AirshipJungleman29: I'll give this a proper review in the morning, but I've added a {{cn}} tag to the article and there are two bare URLs, which need to be fixed per WP:DYKCITE.--Launchballer 03:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hook also needs an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 11:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This hook got pulled a couple weeks back over accessibility issues. There is significant use of Americanist Phonetic Notation, which is an (arguably) non-English script, but one which is widely used in secondary sources (even the popular ones) and has no ready transliteration into the usual English alphabet. Back and forth discussion with the nominator @Ornithoptera: has left me unclear how to proceed. Does anyone have any insight here? Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 20:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've readded it to T:TDYK.--Launchballer 21:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Did you know nominations/Celie Ellis Turner

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Hook situation resolved but I've raised issues with excessive sourcing to contemporary newspapers, would like someone else to take a look and see if my concerns are legitimate. Mach61 05:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mach61, I think I have found a date of death and noted it on the talk page. TSventon (talk) 09:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prep 6

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Carrlyn Bathe

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@JuniperChill: Just making it clear that the promoted hook (ALT0) was implicitly rejected in the review, and only ALT1 was approved. As I'm the reviewer, I cannot swap out the hook myself, so I'm just leaving this comment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I just thought ALT0 was more interesting but forgot to realise it wasn't suitable as determined by a reviewer. JuniperChill (talk) 10:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I am requesting more eyes on my review for Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Unruffled. I am concerned that the use of a self-published source to accomplish the almost 5x expansion for the nomination does not meet our strict RS/SPS criteria. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 20:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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