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Thierry Neuville Syrian opposition forces enter Aleppo in the first offensive since the 2020 ceasefire. Israel and Lebanon agree to a 60-day ceasefire to halt the current hostilities. In motorsport, Thierry Neuville (pictured) and Martijn Wydaeghe win the World Rally Championship. In Formula One, Max Verstappen wins the World Championship. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of Lebanon Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Terry Griffiths Tom Hughes Peggy Caserta Siegfried Thiele Barbara Taylor Bradford Earl Holliman view — page history — related changes — edit

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December 2

Portal:Current events/2024 December 2

December 2, 2024 (2024-12-02) (Monday) Business and economy German economic crisis Workers of the German metalworkers' union IG Metall start a labor strike after failed negotiations with Volkswagen following the closure of three automotive manufacturing plants. (DW) Law and crime An unidentified person sprays irritant gas inside a school in Berlin, Germany, injuring 44 children. Twenty-two are hospitalized, including one in critical condition. (Blue News)

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Spade-toothed whale

Article: Spade-toothed whale (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first dissection of an intact spade-toothed whale (specimen pictured) begins in New Zealand (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The seventh known specimen of the spade-toothed whale is dissected in New Zealand
News source(s): ABC Australia
Credits:

• Nominated by AviationFreak (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Q8682 (talk · give credit) and Nurg (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Seems of a similar nature and ballpark to the Iberian lynx blurb we posted a few months ago. Dissection is perhaps not the most relevant part of this story, but would be a nice break from the ITNR and war blurbs. The discovery/impact seems ITN-worthy, especially from an encyclopedia vs news-ticker standpoint. AviationFreak💬 17:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now - There are a whole lot of scientific advances I'd prioritize posting before the first dissection of a rare whale, let alone the start of it. I definitely agree, though, it seems every new blurb is an election where the incumbent loses or a war cycling. Departure– (talk) 17:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Irish general election

Article: 2024 Irish general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Irish general election, Fianna Fáil wins a plurality of seats in the Dáil Éireann. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Fianna Fáil wins the most seats in the Dáil Éireann following the Irish general election but does not achieve a majority
Alternative blurb II: ​ Fianna Fáil wins the most seats in the Dáil Éireann following the Irish general election but their ruling coalition with Fine Gael and The Greens does not achieve a majority
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
• Created by Bastun (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Previous nomination resulted in consensus to wait until we have a winner; looks to be the case now. Coalition talks could be lengthy given Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael together are 2 seats short of a majority (88 seats), and the Greens have been reduced to just 1 seat (from 12 previously). Needs an aftermath section. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the format should follow that of the French election earlier this year I think, which had a very similar outcome.[1] I have added an alt blurb which matches this. In any case we certainly shouldn't use "plurality" that's not a term used in the part of the world concerned. I haven't looked at quality yet.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

  but the difference here is no-one was expected to win a majority, the electoral system is geared towards coalitions. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Khalil Ahmad (politician)

Article: Khalil Ahmad (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs expansion. Ainty Painty (talk) 03:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I took the liberty of fixing the RD header, it was left as "nomination header" initially. Tube·of·Light 03:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, article is stubby. Aydoh8^[contribs] 03:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

December 1

Portal:Current events/2024 December 1

December 1, 2024 (2024-12-01) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Northwestern Syria offensive Battle of Aleppo 2024 Aleppo University Hospital airstrike Twelve people are killed and 23 others are injured in Russian airstrikes on a hospital in Aleppo, Syria. (SOHR) Turkish-backed militants say that they captured Aleppo's Ramouseh district as well as the city of As-Safira and the town of Khanasir in Aleppo Governorate. (Al Jazeera Mubasher) (SOHR) At least nine people are killed and at least 62 others are injured in Russian airstrikes on Idlib. (SOHR) The Syrian National Army says that they captured the city of Tell Rifaat and Menagh Air Base in Aleppo Governorate. (Al Jazeera Mubasher) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum The Rapid Support Forces establish a civilian administration in the Sudanese capital of Khartoum, including the adjacent cities of Omdurman and Khartoum North. (The National News) (Dabanga Sudan) Disasters and accidents 2024 North Indian Ocean cyclone season Nineteen people are killed by Cyclone Fengal in India and Sri Lanka. (Reuters) Nineteen people are injured, including eight severely, when a truck strikes several vehicles on the A46 highway near Neuss, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. (DW) Two people are killed and 30 others are injured, with 15 critically, when a bus coming from L'Hospitalet de Llobregat, Barcelonès, Catalonia, Spain, crashes in Porté-Puymorens, Occitania, France. (Europa Press) (DW) International relations Ukraine–United States relations U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan says that the United States will not return to Ukraine the nuclear weapons that they dismantled. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Nzérékoré stampede At least 56 people are killed during a stampede at a football match in Nzérékoré, Guinea, after the police tear gassed the field as rival fans stormed it following a controversial referee decision. A police station is later set ablaze. (Al Jazeera) Hunter Biden laptop controversy United States President Joe Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden of tax and firearms charges. (BBC News) Seventy-nine people are injured in football hooliganism clashes between fans of FC Carl Zeiss Jena and BSG Chemie Leipzig following a match in Jena, Thuringia, Germany. (DW) Politics and elections 2024 Icelandic parliamentary election In Iceland, the Social Democratic Alliance wins 15 seats in the Althing elections, with the incumbent Independence Party winning 14 seats. However, no party achieved a majority. (DW) 2024 Romanian parliamentary election Romanians vote for the 330 seats of the Chamber of Deputies and the 136 seats of the Senate. (RFE/RL)

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(Posted) RD: Terry Griffiths

Article: Terry Griffiths (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, Sky Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Welsh professional snooker player, coach and pundit. World champion (1979). Article is an FA. Fats40boy11 (talk) 06:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support - No issues that I can see. Mjroots (talk) 06:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Horrible news. Great man. Support inclusion in ITN. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 07:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ian Redpath

Article: Ian Redpath (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian former international cricketer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is in good shape, sourced well. Pyramids09 (talk) 00:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good. Aydoh8^[contribs] 03:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Ongoing: Syrian Civil War

Article: Syrian civil war (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Ion.want.uu (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Yeah so basically things r getting pretty serious now with 3 offensives ongoing (SNA, SSG, some various southern rebel groups) so i figured now would be a good time to nominate for ongoing. P.S. if i messed up the nom sorry it’s my first time nominating User:Ion.want.uu

• Oppose It would make more sense to put Northwestern Syria Offensive as ongoing rather than the entire war. For example, The Israel-Hamas war is marked as ongoing, but not the I/P conflict in general. Pyramids09 (talk) 00:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as per Pyramids09. It would make more sense to put the Northwestern Syria Offensive in ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: per Pyramids09 --- Elios Peredhel (talk) 04:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

would it be better than for me to close this nom then reopen with the suggested NW Offensive? Ion.want.uu (talk) 06:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I would wait until the current posted blurb concerning the offensive falls off. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Romanian parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Romanian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Romanian parliamentary election, the incumbent Social Democratic Party, led by Victor Negrescu (pictured), wins the most seats in both the Chamber of Deputies and Senate. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Rosenborg BK Fan (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R, national parliamentary election. Incumbent broke the year-long trend with elections and won, however, there are still coalition talks as to the exact composition of the government. Scuba 15:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

November 30

Portal:Current events/2024 November 30

November 30, 2024 (2024-11-30) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Northwestern Syria offensive Battle of Aleppo Pro-government forces close Aleppo International Airport and major roads in Aleppo, Syria, as rebels continue to advance into the city. The airport is later captured by the rebels. (The Telegraph) (Reuters) Rebels capture the Citadel of Aleppo and the University of Aleppo as they continue to advance through the city. (New Arab) Rebel tanks reach the main Saadallah al-Jabiri Square in Aleppo's city centre with the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reporting that a majority of the city is now under the control of rebel forces. (BBC News) The Syrian Army announces a total withdrawal from Aleppo, formally acknowledging the fall of the city to rebel forces, and saying that its troops will regroup and launch a counter-offensive to retake the city. (Reuters) A Russian airstrike hits a busy roundabout in Aleppo, killing at least 16 people and injuring 20 others, the first time that Russian warplanes have targeted the city since 2016. (SOHR) Operation Dawn of Freedom The Turkish-backed Syrian National Army launches an offensive in northern Aleppo Governorate, capturing the town of Tadef. (Caliber) A Syrian rebel coalition declares full control of Idlib Governorate after capturing the towns of Maarat al-Numan and Khan Shaykhun. (Al Arabiya) Rebel forces led by Tahrir al-Sham capture the Abu al-Duhur Air Base in Idlib Governorate following the withdrawal of the Syrian Armed Forces. (Sky News Arabia) (Caliber) The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) take control of the Shiite-majority towns of Nubbul and Al-Zahraa in Aleppo Governorate after Syrian government forces withdraw from the towns. (Kurdistan 24) Rebel forces capture the towns of Morek, Kafr Zita, Qalaat al-Madiq, and Al-Lataminah in Hama Governorate. (Lbc) Rebel forces advance within 20 kilometres (12 mi) of the regional capital Hama with heavy clashes underway on the M5 Motorway. Pro-government forces reportedly retreat from the city and Hama Air Base toward Homs Governorate. (Anadolu Ajansi) (SOHR) SDF forces clash with the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army near Tell Abyad, Raqqa Governorate and in Manbij District, Aleppo Governorate, as pro-government forces withdraw from the region, leaving a power vacuum. (SOHR) Local forces in Talbiseh, northern Homs Governorate, attack Syrian Army convoys withdrawing towards Homs, seizing control of the town's checkpoint and burning it following pro-government forces withdrawal. (SOHR) Southern Syria offensive South Syrian rebel groups announce a new offensive on Daraa Governorate and Suwayda Governorate with the goal of implementing a pincer movement on Damascus. (Al-Araby) Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hamas war hostage crisis Hamas releases a propaganda video showing Israeli American hostage Edan Alexander. (CBS News) An Israeli airstrike on a car in the Gaza Strip kills five people, including employees of World Central Kitchen. (AP) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two people are killed and six others are injured in three airstrikes by Israel in southern Lebanon that occurred despite the ceasefire with Hezbollah. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Vietnam approves a US$67 billion 1,541 kilometres (958 mi) high speed rail line from Hanoi to Ho Chi Minh City, which will be an updated version of the North–South express railway proposal. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents At least 27 people are killed and more than 100 others are missing when a boat capsizes in the Niger River in Kogi State, Nigeria. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Ibar-Lepenac attack Police arrest eight people linked to an explosion on a canal near Zubin Potok, Mitrovica District, Kosovo, that supplies water to the country's two main power plants. The Kosovar government blames Serbia for the "terrorist" acts, which Serbia denies. (Al Jazeera) (Euronews) (Le Monde) A student attacked his classmates with a hammer injuring two before being submitted by other students in the San Ándres Highschool, Guadalajara, México. The attack was streamed via X and the perpetrator used to share supremacist and violent content in his social media.(El Debate) Politics and elections 2024 Georgian post-election protests More than 100 demonstrators are arrested in Tbilisi, Georgia, while protesting against Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze's decision to temporarily suspend the country's accession plans to the European Union to 2028. (ABC News) 2024 Icelandic parliamentary election Citizens of Iceland vote in a snap election to elect the 63 members of the Althing national parliament. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2024 Copa Libertadores In association football, Botafogo win their first Copa Libertadores title after defeating Atlético Mineiro 3–1 in an all-Brazilian final at the Estadio Monumental in Buenos Aires, Argentina. (AP)

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RD: Lou Carnesecca

Article: Lou Carnesecca (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:25B2:1C93:6185:C6D (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Neverilluminated (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 240F:7A:6253:1:25B2:1C93:6185:C6D (talk) 06:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Copa Libertadores final

Article: 2024 Copa Libertadores final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Botafogo wins the Copa Libertadores after defeating Atlético Mineiro in the final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Botafogo defeats Atlético Mineiro to win the Copa Libertadores final.
News source(s): ge, Uol, AP, beIN, Forbes
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Solon26125 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The image could also be this one, of Luiz Henrique, who scored the first goal of the match and was elected MVP of the final and of the competition. Solon ^26.125 05:16, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support itnr. Probably post motm instead of club logo. 27.96.223.193 (talk) 05:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality missing aftermath section. Given Botafogo is showing that scrapping the long-established existing system of ownership prevalent throughout South America with the introduction of private investment is bearing results, this looks (for now at least) like a turning point; the article should mention this. Also the fact that Atlético Mineiro were clear favourites and did much better throughout the tournament until the disastrous final isn’t made clear either. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Abcmaxx hard to say Atlético were favorites - Brazilian media were not considering it as such, since despite Atlético's better campaign at the Libertadores, Botafogo leads the Brazilian Championship and may become its champion next Wednesday. There is a section on their road to the final as well. Also, both teams became privately owned, Botafogo is not the only one showing its results. Solon ^26.125 22:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Solon26125: I stand corrected, but this is why what you said above should be included in the article, rather than just a simple match report. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Georgian post-election protests

Article: 2024 Georgian post-election protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests erupt in Georgia after its government formally announces the country will suspend its application for EU membership. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Re-nominating as more comprehensive article has been created and previous nomination withdrawn. Protests have severely escalated, widespread police brutality akin to the 2020 Belarusian protests. The president has called the government illegitimate, which is very unusual. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Support hopefully they can stop their oligarchs from trying to abolish their sovereignty. Scuba 03:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Strong support on notability. This seems like a reverse January 6 to me, an American, with the president and a large number of protestors (and what seem to be a larger proportion of the civilian population) rejecting their recent election's results. Oppose on quality - everything's cited but it could definitely stand to be better organized. Departure– (talk) 04:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Make that strong oppose on quality - I just now noticed the amount of cn tags. Departure– (talk) 04:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality only. There's definitely violence associated with this, and the EU membership withdrawl itself is also newsworthy. But as noted, the article has many unsourced paragraphs, and I would urge those that want to see this posted to try to avoid day-by-day blows and try to write how the protests happened more narratively. --Masem (t) 04:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Support on significance. Lean oppose on quality for now, though the target article and blurb are better than the previous nomination. This reminds me of Euromaidan and the colour revolutions. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I no longer object to the quality of the article, although there is still some room for improvement. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 07:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Support on significance. The quality is not perfect but seems to be improving; didn't spot any cn tags now. Yakikaki (talk) 21:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support: Notable event; quality is slowly improving. Elios Peredhel (talk) 04:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The protests haven't yet succeeded to make any significant changes in country's politics, and the violence hasn't resulted in deaths and destruction of cultural monuments. The right to protest is one of the fundamental human rights, so a protest isn't notable for inclusion per se. As for the "suspended application for EU membership", this is a POV-pushing incorrect statement as it appears that the accession talks were only postponed. Moreover, even if the accession talks were suspended, they would have absolutely zero impact on the EU (frankly speaking, it's not a withdrawal from the EU like Brexit).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

  They are burning effigies of Ivanishvili and firing fireworks at the parliament building, and Georgian Dream offices are being demolished. Police are beating men, women and minors alike to a pulp in the street in plain view. Protests don't have to be successful to be posted, the 2020 Belarusian protests were posted, and they weren't successful at all. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

  The significance of those protests was that they happened in a dictatorship where authorities supress any form of democratic movement and there were no protests of that scale since country's independence. Georgia is more democratic than Belarus and has a history of similar protests in the past, so these protests aren't really that special for now. Burning effigies, firing fireworks and demolishing offices are regular activities conducted during violent protests everywhere around the globe. Unless there are confirmed deaths, severely damaged cultural and historical landmarks, or real changes in country's politics, I don't think these protests are ready for posting (article's quality aside).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

  Giving the last elections were equally quite blatantly falsified, the president has called the Georgian Dream, a party which wants to outlaw all opposition parties, a "rogue government", and what we are currently seeing is the authorities supressing any form of democratic movement, there is little difference between the two. The only difference is that Belarus has been a dictatorship since 1995 and not 2024. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support on principle but Oppose on quality, none if the current protests are actually documented, only the govt level responses. Masem (t) 15:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bob Bryar

Article: Bob Bryar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Post CNN Rolling Stone
Credits:

• Nominated by thrashbandicoot01 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former drummer for My Chemical Romance Tthrashbandicoot01 (talk) 22:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose Equipment section has no citations, but once that's fixed should be good to post. PolarManne (talk) 23:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Irish general election

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2024 Irish general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Irish general election results in a hung parliament between Sinn Féin, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Irish general election, (Party XYZ) wins a plurality of seats in the Dáil Éireann.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
• Created by Bastun (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: It looks like a 3-way tie and it will be a while before any coalition talks and a government is formed. Article needs results section to verify expanded and an aftermath section. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per ITNR and quality. SerialNumber54129 12:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Wait Obviosuly ITNR, but I don't think the blurb is particularly good. I would wait until we have a more definitive idea of how many seats each party will win, and then look at how reliable sources are describing the outcome. In particular, I think it might be preferable for the blurb to mention which party is the largest. Gust Justice (talk) 00:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Owing to the incredibly complex electoral system used in Ireland, this is about the only blurb we can post for a very long time. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe this is a stupid question, but how then do we know the results are going to be close without substantial results, besides the fact that polling SEEMS to show this is the likely result, seemingly similar to last election? DarkSide830 (talk) 04:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's a stupid question DarkSide830. We just don't know without substantial results truthfully. The vote transfers are going to differ from voter to voter, and first preference winner does not necessarily equate to whoever gets the most seats. Sinn Fein topped the polls last election, but didn't nominate enough candidates from what I recall, so their excess preferences flowed to smaller left leaning parties. The final coalition wound up excluding SF altogether. I feel like saying it is a hung parliament is reading the tea leaves a bit early. Per my previous comments, The Guardian's article that was used as the news source for this nomination doesn't even mention a "hung parliament" from what I could see. Ornithoptera (talk) 10:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

There was a comment on the last time we ran the Irish election here, and he said that every election as long as he was alive resulted in a hung parliament; I dunno if that's true, but that's plausible. So this blurb indeed is not particularly good, so I'd suggest to wait until we have an idea on how hung it is, I guess. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Support regardless of coalition talks, we should include the results as they are now. Scuba 03:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Wait While first preference votes have been counted, Ireland's STV system means that the final seat count for the various parties (which can determine who would be prime for forming the next government) is not. We have a rough guess using the initial preferences, but I would advise that we wait until we have more than the initial preferences to go off of. Another issue is that the article cited for the blurb does not even mention a hung parliament, it only speaks to the exit poll (which wound up showing Sinn Fein on top, despite Fianna Fail placing first) everything's speculative at this point. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Wait until more results come in, per Ornithoptera. Gelasin (talk) 07:04, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Wait per others and propose alternative blurb. We shouldn't use "hung parliament" in a non-Westminster context. It makes no sense, as the electoral system is not geared to generate a clear winner. We wouldn't say that the German general election resulted in a hung parliament either. Khuft (talk) 14:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Floods in Malaysia

Article: 2024–2025 floods in Southeast Asia and South Asia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in Malaysia displace more than 122,000 people. (Post)
News source(s): Channel News Asia

Nominator's comments: Worth for Wikipedia to monitor and consider adding information if it gets worse. 129.126.8.5 (talk) 10:27, 30 November 2024

• Comment Cleaned up nomination to help IP user who wished to nominate this. 2024–2025 floods in Southeast Asia and South Asia was the only related article I could find. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, sadly. Flooding in SE Asia countries is very routine with thousands killed each year, the problem is that there is usually no single major flood event that gets significant attention in the news to make any single flood event newsworthy. --Masem (t) 13:10, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  I'm astonished you apparently think SE Asian lives are worth less, since they routinely die every year. Banedon (talk) 02:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

  I am speaking to how reliable sources cover these, which give far less attention to other mass casualty events. If these floods where given the same weight of coverage as hurricanes, that would be different, but the fact that we really only see these floods get covered a few times each year despite thd death toll and impact on people there is a sign that these events are more routine. — Masem (t) 16:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. Floods in this region happen too often for this one to be newsworthy enough for ITN. Gelasin (talk) 06:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Icelandic parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Icelandic parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Icelandic parliamentary election, the Social Democratic Alliance, led by Kristrún Frostadóttir (pictured), wins the most seats in the Alþingi. (Post)
News source(s): AP Bloomberg
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Number 57 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R, national parliamentary election. Another incumbent lost, however, there are still coalition talks as to the exact composition of the government. Scuba 15:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Weak support Appears to be in mostly good shape - there's just one paragraph lacking citation in the Electoral System section. As well, some response to the results in the article would be appreciated. Departure– (talk) 15:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

November 29

Portal:Current events/2024 November 29

November 29, 2024 (2024-11-29) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Northwestern Syria offensive Battle of Aleppo Anti-Assad forces led by Tahrir al-Sham enter the city of Aleppo, Syria, for the first time since 2016 with heavy urban fighting reportedly underway in the western neighbourhoods of the city. A rebel coalition spokesman confirms that an operation to capture Aleppo has officially begun. (CNN) (The New Arab) Rebel forces reach the city centre of Aleppo after overrunning multiple neighbourhoods, including New Aleppo. (Anadolu Agency) (AP) Syrian state media reports that four people are killed when rebel forces shell the University of Aleppo. (Reuters) Rebel forces capture the towns of Al-Hadher, Khan Tuman and Al-Eiss in Aleppo Governorate. (SOHR) Rebel forces capture the city of Saraqib in Idlib Governorate, which has been held by government forces since 2020. Pro-government forces withdraw from the city after two days of clashes. (ABC News) (Anadolu Ajansi) Russo-Ukrainian War Russian invasion of Ukraine, Ukraine–NATO relations Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy says that his country is ready to agree to a ceasefire if NATO protects parts of Ukraine. (Kyiv Post) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum It is reported that 12 children have died this month in Khartoum, Sudan, due to city-wide malnutrition. (Sudan Tribune) Disasters and accidents 2024–2025 floods in Southeast Asia and South Asia At least three people are killed and more than 84,000 people are displaced by flooding in Malaysia, primarily in Kelantan. (AP) 2024–25 Australian region cyclone season The death toll from the floods and landslides in North Sumatra, Indonesia, increases to 31, with ten others injured, and dozens of others missing. (DW) Six people are killed and eight others are injured after a launching gantry and precast concrete segments collapsed onto the Rama II Road at a construction site of the Ekkachai–Ban Phaeo Intercity Motorway in Samut Sakhon, Thailand. (Bangkok Post) Politics and elections 2024 Irish general election Citizens of Ireland vote in a snap election to elect the 174 members of the 34th Dáil Éireann. (DW) The United Kingdom House of Commons votes 330–275 to pass the second reading of the Terminally Ill Adults Bill, marking the first time the Parliament has voted in favour of assisted dying. The bill will now need to pass several more stages before becoming law. (The Guardian)

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RD: Tchinda Andrade

Article: Tchinda Andrade (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rádio e Televisão de Portugal; Expresso das Ilhas; Radiotelevisão Caboverdiana
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Grnrchst (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Cape Verdean LGBT activist and the first out trans person in the country. Died on 29 November. Grnrchst (talk) 10:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Alice Hudson

Article: Alice Hudson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American librarian and cartographic curator. Died on November 6. Death reported November 29. TJMSmith (talk) 18:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Publications section needs references. Although short, meets minimum standards. Spencer^T•C 07:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) 2024 Georgian pro-European protests

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Article: 2024 Georgian pro-European protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests erupt in Georgia after its government formally announces the country will no longer pursue EU membership. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Nominating to draw attention to it, this will likely be ongoing for a very long time given EU accession is enshrined in the country's constitution and that the falsified elections weren't overturned. Previous protests werent posted only because the article wasn't made in time and it failed on quality, although since has been expanded, hoping for help of others on this to avoid the sane fate. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Article is currently too short to post. Gelasin (talk) 23:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose unless these protests escalate to something more serious. The article is currently very short to provide any detailed information.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment I would reword the blurb as "... formally announces the country will suspend its application for EU membership". According to this article, the PM said that the negotiations were on hold until the end of 2028, but that the government would still aim for EU membership by 2030; maybe one could cynically claim that this amounts to the same thing in practice, but let's stick to what the government "formally announced".

I agree that the stub as it currently stands is obviously not sufficient to post. I would be open to supporting based on significance, but it's still a bit early to judge how important these protests will end up being. Does anyone know how many protesters there are/were, for one basic metric? The sources I've found just say "thousands". 98.170.164.88 (talk) 01:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose unless some escalation in protests will happen. So far nothing serious is happened yet. Btw Georgia's EU accession process was suspended in July[2]. Currently government just formally accept reality that in near future accession is unlikely. But main goal to join EU in 2030 is still not abandoned. 46.188.18.196 (talk) 02:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment 107 arrests, widespread brutality, 2nd night of unrest with no signs of abating, so I strongly disagree this isn’t serious, there's hundreds of videos circulating of police bearing defenceless children and women in the street. Will try and expand later, help is welcome. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Notre-Dame reopening

Article: Notre-Dame fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Notre-Dame cathedral (pictured in 2024) in Paris reopens following reconstruction in the wake of the 2019 fire. (Post)
News source(s): AP, CNN, WasPost
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The fire artricle is in good shape, and we could also link the cathedral itself (I only see a couple tagged things). That said, while the official opening to the public is next week on the 7th, Macron gave a large, widely-covered tour today to unveil the new interior prior to that opening. I can see holding off until next week to post, but I think we're getting the bigger coverage now (and given the dates, we're past the CRYSTAL point and the opening has little likelihood of not happening). It would be nice to get new interior pictures but I believe those will be subject to copyright, and I don't see any immediately new image of the cathedral in the last couple months, post-reconstruction. Masem (t) 17:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per above but suggest making Notre Dame the target rather than the fire This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support when the event occurs, that is support but wait until it actually occurs. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The article mentions that it’s planned to be re-opened on the weekend of 7-8 December. So, it’s too soon.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  As I said, there's a lot media coverage today with Macron's tour of it. We could wait but it will be unclear which point will have the most coverage. — Masem (t) 18:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, as the reopening is scheduled for next weekend. (I've just reverted changes to the main Notre Dame de Paris article wrongly claiming it's open.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose and close for now per all above. No comment on notability or quality. Departure– (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support one of the main monuments of western civilization opening after several years after it's fire. Scuba 21:19, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We're not posting future news, even if they're beyond WP:CRYSTAL. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now until it actually reopens. Gelasin (talk) 22:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• To any non-involved party: Consensus appears to be to close until Notre-Dame actually re-opens, with overall consensus trending towards support, but an early close here appears likely. I've seen no arguments for posting this now so a non-involved party closing this would be appreciated, barring any dissidence towards this early closure. I'd do it myself, but we're still a few steps short of a snowstorm. Departure– (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Big historical landmark. Officially open to all guests. People are wrongly claiming it’s not open yet. Also, can somebody suggest the Irish election for tomorrow? 68.160.249.84 (talk) 01:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  Wikipedia is going by the December date when the public will be allowed to visit, and we have reliable sources stating that. Also, we don't prematurely nominate elections - especially ones with specific winners and parties that hold onto, gain, or lose power in government. Departure– (talk) 01:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Needs work The article's coverage of the investigation isn't up-to-date, though no new leads seem to have been found. See Five years after Notre-Dame fire, no culprit has been found as cathedral's long-awaited reopening nears, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:06, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support If the fire was posted, I don't see any notability issues in posting reopening. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 17:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: The fire was big time news, but the re-opening is nowhere near as important for the front page. We have WAY more important events going on right now that deserve coverage instead. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  That's not how it works. ITN does not focus only on "important" events. Masem (t) 20:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support posting when the time is right. This is the kind of news that fits nicely with our encyclopedia. Tradedia^talk 16:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Von der Leyen Commission II

Article: Von der Leyen Commission II (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Parliament confirms the new European Commission led by Ursula Von der Leyen (pictured). (Post)
News source(s): Deutsche Welle
Credits:

• Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: New supranational government, in office until 2029, of political significance equal to a change of national government. Will take office on 1 December 2024. Sandstein 10:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)  Sandstein 10:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support The Barroso Commission (2004) and the Juncker Commission (2014) were featured on ITN. It looks like the first Von der Leyen Commission (2019) wasn't, probably because nobody thought to nominate it. I would might support making this ITN/R. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 10:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The right news to post was her re-election in the same way we posted her election in 2019. This is just a routine change within the European Commission. Across individual countries, we generally post parliamentary election results, not when the government is officially formed and the cabinet is complete.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  For the record, we didn't post her re-election this year (see ITN/C discussion), so maybe posting the commission formation would in some sense make up for that omission. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 11:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  ITN often disagrees on when to post a change in head of government (which this is too, technically, as Von der Leyen will also commence her new term of office). We oscillate between posting the election or the assumption of the office. But that's not a reason not to post on either occasion, as long as we agree that the story is important. Sandstein 15:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  This will set a precedent to post similar stories in the future. Let’s not open a can of worms.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Obviously. Per suprationalisms. SerialNumber54129 11:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good enough. Seeing how we posted Juncker and Barroso commissions taking effect, we should follow precedent. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Quite a good article. Given we bizarrely failed to post Von der Leyen's re-election we should definitely post this. The European Commission is one of the most powerful bodies in the world, and uniquely powerful for a supranational union. AusLondonder (talk) 13:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  By the same logic, we should post Second cabinet of Donald Trump's confirmation by the United States Senate, right?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  eh...no? The United States is not an international political, economic and monetary union. What an absurd comparison. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  The United States is politically and economically more powerful, influential and independent than the European Union. Moreover, we don't have a rule that supranational unions should be assigned more significance. That being said, a supranational union isn't a valid argument to support this.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  By the same logic. At least they were demonstrating some; your argument ("Go USA", fauxcomparatives etc) possesses a certain paucity in that department. SerialNumber54129

  I don’t admire the US politics very much, but I can’t deny the facts (I didn’t tell the IMF and World Bank that US should have 50% higher GDP than the EU). You’re welcome to elaborate what is EU’s real power that makes it significant (maybe Germany going into recession after imposing sanctions against Russia?). People here should divorce from their emotions that the EU is the greatest and most influential thing that ever happened in the world. Yes, it was initially a peaceful project between the European nations with the goal of uniting Europe, but it eventually ended up in a union propagating the non-sense that the largest country in Europe is actually not European. For what it’s worth, I’m European.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  The United States is certainly a union -- it's right there in the name. Its states were separate colonies and still have their own governments and laws. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - This is a purely procedural matter. Kiril is right that her election was the thing to post; we could have posted her re-election too, but the fact that we didn't isn't by itself justification for posting this lesser event. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Kiril and Genevieve; the window for posting was when the election occurred, not at the time when the term actually started. It would be a slippery slope to allow "oh, we missed it, lets post here instead"-type logic for ITNR items (which I am pretty sure the election would have been treated as). --Masem (t) 14:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  This misses the point that this is actually a notable story anyway with a good article that's in the news. AusLondonder (talk) 14:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  All articles related to UK and US politics are in very good shape. It doesn't mean that we should make concessions to post similar procedural events there.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  Also, this article isn't in good shape- it has way too many tables compared to text content, and is orange tagged for section needing update. And it's based on an election event that is stale. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per TDKR Chicago 101. It was a failure not to post von der Leyen's election, so we can repair it with the election of the commission, its quasi von der Leyen's inauguration. Grimes2 (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as stale, the election was the event to post. Also, this article fails WP:ITNQUALITY by having an overkill of tabled content compares to prose. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as we usually don't post about government formation of ministers, just heads of state and government.

JohnAdams1800 (talk) 22:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose We should have posted her election, but this is less important and as such I cannot support posting it. Gelasin (talk) 22:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Stale after the election in May and a formation of an unelected cabinet shouldn't be blurbworthy. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per all above. Is not the formation of a government, it is the election of a government by a parliament. Just as the election of a PM by a parliament would be posted, so is the election of the European Commission. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Alsoriano97. Notable international news. Jusdafax (talk) 21:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Maybe we should have posted earlier about this topic, but it is better to post this one rather than nothing at all. Important topic, so better late than never. Tradedia^talk 15:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

November 28

Portal:Current events/2024 November 28

November 28, 2024 (2024-11-28) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine The Russian Defence Ministry claims that Russian forces have taken the village of Nova Illinka in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure, Ukrainian energy crisis Russia launches a massive missile and drone attack on civilian and critical infrastructure in Ukraine, injuring at least five people and causing blackouts for more than a million households. (CNN) Syrian civil war Northwestern Syria offensive More than 130 Syrian Army soldiers are killed and dozens of others are captured as rebel forces led by Tahrir al-Sham advance to within 10 kilometres of Aleppo, Syria. (Reuters) Rebel forces cut off the strategic M5 Motorway which connects Aleppo to Damascus and also capture the district of Khan al-Asal near Aleppo. (i24 News) (The Guardian) An Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps brigadier is killed in a shootout in Aleppo. (Rudaw) Russian and Syrian warplanes strike rebel-held positions across Idlib Governorate. Separately, at least 17 people are killed in airstrikes on the towns of Atarib and Darat Izza in Aleppo Governorate. (Reuters) (SOHR) Hezbollah–Israel conflict 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement Israel and Hezbollah accuse each other of violating ceasefire terms that came into action the prior day, following an Israeli Air Force airstrike on a Hezbollah missile storage facility and the Israeli Defense Forces opening fire on suspected combatants moving into southern Lebanon. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 Australian region cyclone season Landslides and flash floods caused by Cyclone Robyn kill at least 27 people and injure dozens of others in North Sumatra, Indonesia. (Reuters) 2024 North Indian Ocean cyclone season At least twelve people, including four children, are killed and more than 250,000 people are evacuated due to flooding and landslides caused by Deep Depression BOB 08 in Sri Lanka. (DW) 2024 South Korean snowstorm At least six people are killed in traffic accidents and more than 140 flights are canceled in Gyeonggi Province, South Korea, due to a winter storm in the country, marking the third heaviest snowfall in Seoul since 1907. (AP) (Yonhap) (Newsweek) 2024 Ugandan landslides Fifteen people are killed and 113 others are missing in landslides in Bulambuli, Uganda. (Al Jazeera) International relations Georgia–European Union relations, Potential enlargement of the European Union Accession of Georgia to the European Union Prime Minister of Georgia Irakli Kobakhidze temporarily suspends the country's accession to the European Union until 2028 and accuses the European Parliament of blackmail. (Al Jazeera) (Politico) Chad–France relations The government of Chad announces it will terminate its defense pact with France, stating it wants to fully assert its sovereignty following its independence from France in 1960. (DW) (VOA) Law and crime Anti-corruption campaign under Xi Jinping The Chinese Communist Party suspends the Director of the Political Work Department of the Central Military Commission Admiral Miao Hua from his post following a corruption investigation. (CNA) PTI do-or-die protest, Freedom of the press in Pakistan Pakistani senior journalist Matiullah Jan and his colleague are abducted by unidentified men while they were reporting on the protests for the release of former Prime Minister Imran Khan in Islamabad, Pakistan. (DW) (The Nation) Politics and elections 2024 Georgian parliamentary election protests, Accession of Georgia to the European Union Thousands of people gather in Tbilisi, Georgia, to protest against Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze and his party's decision to suspend the country's accession plans to the European Union. Riot police fire tear gas and water cannons at protesters near the parliament building. (DW) (Yahoo! News) (The New York Times) 2024 Romanian presidential election The Constitutional Court of Romania requests a recount of all votes cast in the first round of the presidential election following a complaint by candidate Cristian Terheș. (AP) The Australian House of Representatives passes a bill to restrict social media access for people under the age of 16 years. (NBC News)

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(Ready) RD: Silvia Pinal

Article: Silvia Pinal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, USA Today, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor of the Mexican Golden Age film era. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 00:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready. Sadly the article is not ready yet. More citations needed, the filmography section is totally unsourced. Alexcalamaro (talk) 08:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, I'll never understand the urgency of nominating articles before working on them. I'll be working on it. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 16:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• I think it is mostly ready. There are a few details but not that major for the main page. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article well sourced now. One cn tag shouldn't keep it from getting posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Northwestern Syria offensive (2024)

Article: Northwestern Syria offensive (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Syrian opposition launches an offensive for the first time since the 2020 ceasefire. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Syrian opposition enters Aleppo in the first offensive since the 2020 ceasefire.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Turkish-backed militants enter Aleppo, Syria in the the first offensive since the 2020 ceasefire.
News source(s): CNNAP The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Ecrusized (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: First major offensive since the 2020 ceasefire, over 25 villages and towns taken, the rebels are also at the door of Aleppo again. We might want to also add this to ongoing. Scuba 15:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support as this is the war’s first major flare-up in as long as I can remember. Don’t think we should put in ongoing for now, though. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support first big offensive in 4 years, reasonable to post, agree with kip on not doing ongoing Ion.want.uu (talk) 17:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support notable offensive, first in a long time Personisinsterest (talk) 18:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support first major development in the Syrian Civil War since the 2020 ceasefire. Aydoh8^[contribs] 03:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support major worldwide news. Article is well sourced. INeedSupport ^:3 03:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Altblurb I as it shows where the offensive took place. INeedSupport ^:3 23:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Not convinced by the significance of the attack. Largely it maybe considered a spillover of the Israel–Hamas war in Syria and while this might be the first large scale offensive since 2020, clashes did not definitely cease as indicated by the presence of Northwestern Syria clashes (December 2022–November 2024). The Syrian civil never stopped and while this could be its next major phase, that is not definitive as of now. Gotitbro (talk) 07:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  Those clashes saw fighting for a single village, this offensive has seen the rebels capture 40+ villages, 2 cities, a military base, and are again in Aleppo, one of the major cities of Syria. They aren't really comparable. Scuba 15:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait. While this is indeed a re-escalation of the fighting, the amount of territory retaken is fairly small so far. If the opposition forces recapture Aleppo, I think that would be significant enough to post; a few towns on the approaches to the city are not. Let's see how this plays out before posting anything. Modest Genius ^talk 12:01, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  We now have a page for the fighting in Aleppo, rebels are still making progress there and are capturing chunks of the city. Scuba 14:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  Even more reason to wait a day or two, to see if the city changes hands. Modest Genius ^talk 18:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, they took the citadel today, the main SAA-Hezbollah-IRGC HQ in the center of the city. Only real resistance is coming from the kurds in the Sheikh Maqsoud neighbourhood. All government buildings, including the police HQ have been taken. Scuba 23:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Finally, an actual development in this war since forever. Setarip (talk) 13:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above TheHiddenCity (talk) 13:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Mainly due to the sheer amount of land recaptured (cf General Melchett's 1:1 scale map: 'It's very detailed; look, there's a little worm'). SerialNumber54129 13:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support First major offensive in the War in a while, definitely not covered by ongoing anymore and article is in good shape. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major offensive - warrants it's place in ITN The AP (talk) 17:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and recenter nomination on Aleppo in case it falls. I feel this is only making major headlines now that the opposition is in the outskirts of Aleppo. Would be worth waiting if the city falls - that would certainly be major news. Khuft (talk) 19:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  The blurb could always be updated if that happens. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, Syrian rebels are currently inside Aleppo. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support – significant coverage on AP, WP, and NYT of a significant development in the Syrian War. ArkHyena (it/its) 22:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb 1 or a new blurb referencing that they claim half the city and the center of government, things are moving fast Omnifalcon (talk) 01:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Alt1. Spencer^T•C 06:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tom Hughes (Australian politician)

Article: Tom Hughes (Australian politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Haerlaihe (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Australian barrister and politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Support only one cn tag. Scuba 15:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Support. Article sourcing is in reasonable shape. I T B F 📢 15:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Support as per above comments. TheScrubby (talk) 14:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Article ready for RD posting. Jusdafax (talk) 21:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Prince Johnson

Article: Prince Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Liberian warlord Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

oppose 7 cn tags, article needs work. Scuba 15:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• The 7 cn tags are still there. --PFHLai (talk) 23:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Israeli Invasion of Lebanon

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Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Ceasefire was signed. Interstellarity (talk) 14:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I would at least wait a few days, letting the ceasefire news stabilize for a bit, as well as to actually make sure the ceasefire holds. Also, as this is only a 60-day ceasefire, we may need to be prepared to readd it in late Jan/early Feb. if hostilies immediately flare back up. --Masem (t) 14:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for 60 days. There are still Israeli soldiers in Lebanon. Grimes2 (talk) 14:39, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Israel is still prohibiting the return of Lebanese civilians, and has threatened to pick up hostilities again. We should wait and see if they're serious about the ceasefire. Scuba 15:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for a few more days to see if things definitively hold. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Was thinking of nominating myself. It's a complete contradiction to say in the top headline there's a ceasefire, while also saying it's "ongoing". Makes us look silly. If hostilities break out again it's easy enough to re-add it.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

We don't say there is a ceasefire, but rather that Israel and Lebanon agreed to one. Secondly, ceasefires can happen during invasions: eg see 2023 Israel–Hamas ceasefire amid the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 20:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Doesn’t look like Israel is stopping air strikes so sure there was a ceasefire, Israel is just breaking it now. Scuba 17:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Calling it an invasion was a bit of hyperbole in the first place anyway. Khuft (talk) 18:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose There are Israeli troops on the ground still and alleged violations of the ceasefire

Personisinsterest (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: there was an airstrike today. Israel interprets the "ceasefire" agreement that allows it to continue attacking Lebanon. Israeli troops are still inside Lebanon and preventing Lebanese from returning home[3].VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 20:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Both Israel and Hezbollah are supposedly violating the ceasefire agreement, with Israel yet to withdraw troops. [4] [5] Aydoh8^[contribs] 03:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose 60 days is not a lot of time for a ceasefire. Anything can happen within those 60 days and tensions are still high. If it becomes more permanent, then I support removal. INeedSupport ^:3 03:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Israeli troops are yet to be called back - and there are also alleged violations of the ceasefire The AP (talk) 09:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Ananda Krishnan

Article: Ananda Krishnan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E494:F12F:1DF4:BC0B (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Malaysian business mogul and founder of Usaha Tegas. 240F:7A:6253:1:E494:F12F:1DF4:BC0B (talk) 12:00, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Career section orange tagged as it is entirely unsourced. Scuba 15:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

November 27

Portal:Current events/2024 November 27

November 27, 2024 (2024-11-27) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement A 60-day ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah takes effect. (Reuters) (BBC News) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Killing of journalists in the Israel–Hamas war Seventeen people, including one journalist, are killed in Israeli strikes on the Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahia and the Nuseirat refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. (The New Arab) (Anadolu Agency) (Al Jazeera) United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war The Joe Biden administration provisionally approves a $680 million military arms package to Israel, including hundreds of small diameter bombs and thousands of JDAMs. (Al Jazeera) Syrian civil war Northwestern Syria offensive Syrian opposition forces led by Tahrir al-Sham attack the pro-government Syrian Army in western Aleppo Governorate, capturing eleven towns and villages. (Al Jazeera) (SOHR) Rojava conflict Rojavan Kurdish insurgents launch a raid on Turkish-Syrian National Army positions in Manbij, Aleppo Governorate, Syria, although no casualties are reported. (SOHR) Arts and culture The City of London Corporation proposes a bill to close the 19th-century Billingsgate Fish Market in Billingsgate and Smithfield Meat Market in Smithfield, City of London, United Kingdom, by 2028. (BBC News) (AP) International relations United States–Venezuela relations, 2024 Venezuelan political crisis The United States imposes sanctions on 21 Venezuelan officials, including information minister Freddy Ñáñez and planning minister Ricardo Menéndez, for suppressing the protests against the results of the presidential election in July. (DW) Law and crime Killing of Yuval Castleman The Israel Defense Forces indicts Sgt. Aviad Frija with reduced manslaughter after he shot and killed Yuval Castleman after mistaking Castleman for a Hamas militant during the 7 October attacks. (The Jerusalem Post) Rohingya genocide, War crimes during the Myanmar civil war Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court Karim Ahmad Khan applies for an arrest warrant for Myanmar's military leader and Chairman of the State Administration Council Min Aung Hlaing for crimes against humanity relating to the deportation and persecution of the Rohingya. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Constitutional crisis in Somalia 2024 Jubaland presidential election The Banadir Regional Court in Mogadishu, Somalia, issues an arrest warrant for Jubaland President Ahmed Madobe, accusing Madobe of treason and violating the constitution. In response, the regional court in Kismayo, Jubaland, announces a $100,000 reward for the arrest of Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, accusing Hassan of treason, undermining national unity, and conspiring with Al-Shabaab militia. (AFP) (Idili News) (Hiiraan Online) 2024 Indonesian local elections Indonesians vote for governors, regents, and mayors in the country's first simultaneous local elections. (CNN Indonesia) 2024 Namibian general election Namibians vote in the first round of the general election between 14 candidates for President, and also vote for the 96 members of the National Assembly. (AP) (DW)

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RD: John Stanley Pottinger

Article: John Stanley Pottinger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American attorney and novelist who discovered the identity of Deep Throat (Watergate). Article's on the shorter side. Staraction (talk | contribs) 18:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) ICC arrest warrant for Min Aung Hlaing

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Article: Min Aung Hlaing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues an arrest warrant for Burmese military junta leader Min Aung Hlaing in its investigation of the Rohingya genocide (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Another significant arrest warrant issued by the ICC, against a sitting head of state and for crimes against humanity related to a genocide. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support weird that they would only investigate Hlaing, instead of any of the people in office at the time. Scuba 15:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Huge support very notable and worthy, surprised they didn’t issue warrants for previous leaders for the genocide Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, obviously. Article needs updating: does not currently mention it. Tight faded male arse. Decadence and anarchy. A certain style. Smile. 16:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per above. Article needs to be updated. Otherwise I support on notability. We've effectively established by precedent that ICC arrest warrants for world leaders are ITN-worthy, and Aung Hlaing is the de facto head of state of Myanmar. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Striking my support on notability - took too much faith that the original blurb was accurate when this is apparently not the case. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 17:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The source listed above says plainly that "the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court (ICC) is seeking an arrest warrant ... A panel of three ICC judges must now rule on the prosecutor’s request." So, an arrest warrant has not yet been issued. This is the second recent example of failure to get the basic facts right. Tsk. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew. This was the same case with the warrants for the Israeli leaders - they submitted a request mid-year, and it was only granted in the last month. --Masem (t) 17:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose "seeks arrest warrant" is not the same as issuing an arrest warrant. Natg 19 (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew. We should wait until a warrant is formally granted. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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2024 WBSC Premier12 Championship

Article: 2024 WBSC Premier12 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In baseball, Chinese Taipei wins the 2024 WBSC Premier12. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera RFi AFP Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Meganinja202 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 Meganinja202 (talk) 08:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• This is not in WP:ITNR. I'm unmarking that.—Bagumba (talk) 08:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  No problem, I am not used with templates, so i added that by accident Meganinja202 (talk) 08:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. This article needs a game summary for this. Moraljaya67 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Importance is unclear; article contains practically no prose. Black Kite (talk) 12:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose both on quality and importance. The article has almost no prose, just tables and lists. This is a new competition (only the third time held) with highly questionable significance. The previous edition was held five years ago and was merely a qualifying process for baseball at the Olympics. This year's rosters are full of minor league and free agent players; players in the world's top leagues did not take part. There seems to have been little interest from broadcasters or mainstream media. I don't see a case for posting this, let alone adding it to ITNR (as proposed on the talk page). Modest Genius ^talk 13:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  Players in the world's non-MLB top leagues did took part, it had players from NPB, KBO, CPBL, Venezuela Winter League Mexican Summer and Winter leaguesk, not mentioning MLB prospects and former players such as Didi Gregorius.

  Broadcasting wise, the tournament had deals for TV (including Free to Air) in Asia and Central America, for outside those regions had a global deal with DAZN.

  While most USA media seems that had not covered beacuse isnt MLB (as the bias you seems to show), the tournament was covered by local TV/media of the participating countries and reigion agencies such as Kyodo News and Yonhap News Agency . Meganinja202 (talk) 19:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  More Japanese tuned in on the 2024 World Series mid-morning to watch Shohei Ohtani than this tournament.

  More Japanese tuned in to watch the 2024 Japan Series as well. I'm interested as the Japan roster includes players that were participating in the Climax Series and the aforementioned Japan Series. Did players like Ryoya Kurihara play in here as well? Howard the Duck (talk) 02:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, some players that played in Climax Series and Japan Series were in 2024 WBSC Premier12 rosters , not just Ryoya Kurihara, but also Chusei Mannami and Shugo Maki (a BayStars capitan that played in 2023 WBC) was there. Althoout Premier12 is mostly used to test new players for the next WBC.

  Ohtani is by far is the most popular Japanese player right now so anything with him on it will surpass something that has not, 2023 Word Baseball Classic Final was more popular than 2023 World Series there, this year all World Series games were shown in FTA TV only beacuse Ohtani was on it, most of years those games are thrown into NHK BS only and often cut out by BS programing.

  As Premier12 ratings, they were above average even with Prime Video Sports showing it, a exemple was that the final match had over 17% average nad top 21% in Japan meanwhile, one of the Samurai Japan soccer teams before P12 was 15% average with 17% top., as reference, any rating above 10% is considered good rating in Japan nowadays. Meganinja202 (talk) 06:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment have we posted this championship before for other years? Scuba 15:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• No, because it's not important enough to do so. Black Kite (talk) 18:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

But all significant posted events needed a first at some point. —Bagumba (talk) 19:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Looks like this has been a thing since 2015, can't claim it's a new thing that just needs to be normalized. Scuba 23:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

it is a new tournament but is already stabilized, Baseball went various reforms during last decade, World Baseball Classic replacing the old Baseball World Cup and becoming main major international championship alongside the creation of Premier12 as the replacement of the old Intercontinental Cup.

as mentioned before it was so much of success that was used as olympic qualifier and is the event that gives more points for the WBSC World Rankings even more than the Classic. Meganinja202 (talk) 23:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

There's no "claim it's a new thing". It'd be ultra-restrictive to effectively say that if something wasn't nominated and successfully posted its very first year of existence that it's henceforth banned from posting. Window closed. The end. Or what if it wasn't hypothetically notable until now? Judge it on today's merits. —Bagumba (talk) 15:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability as well as quality. No evidence this meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment With sports events what is not on ITNR I believe we should strongly avoid unless shown otherwise (I don't think it has been here). Though I would like to point out the usage of Chinese Taipei, I am not sure if the term has ever been posted to ITN but such a political term shouldn't go without a qualifier; at a glance it would appear to a reader to do something with the PRC when it pertains to the ROC, as such a parantheses with Taiwan should exist for such cases. Gotitbro (talk) 02:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  It was used only for elections, not for sports as far i remember

  That said i am in favor of the use of the Taiwan term to be used beacuse of common name, i was in doubt if i should use or not since of the highest stantards ITN tends to have, so i went with team name just in case Meganinja202 (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  "Chinese Taipei" is the typical name for sports per Chinese Taipei, e.g. Chinese Taipei at the 2024 Summer Olympics —Bagumba (talk) 15:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support notability top global competition in a global sport. Just because it hasn't been posted before doesn't mean we can't do so, and basing notability on TV viewing figures is pointless as they are often incorrect, viewership us difficult to measure, and popularity doesn't stem from TV anymore. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability - genuinely global event, organised by a recognised authority in the sport in question, which is one with a global following even though two countries tend to dominate the headlines. But oppose on quality, as the article lacks sufficient prose narrative, and in places has tense problems implying that the tournament is yet to occur or still going on. GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  Someone had done edits to the tense since you had posted it, you can check again and see if any more changes are necessary about it? Meganinja202 (talk) 00:39, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The top international baseball competition is the World Baseball Classic. The Premier12 does not include MLB players so it really ISN'T a top level competition in the sport, IMO. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  Both are on the same senior international level, while WBC is the World Cup equivalent, P12 is the Confederations/Intercontinental Cup equivalent, so is on top level of importancy, also both are sanctioned by WBSC.

  Also have a team with MLB-only players doesnt give you the WBC title as shown by Japanese Team roster in 2023 having mostly NPB players. Meganinja202 (talk) 09:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  I mean, Japan winning is irrelevant. My point is the Premier12 is effectively just the WBC without MLB players (aka most of the best players in the world, acknowledging a few NPB and one or two KBO players likely make this cut). It's not nearly the headline-grabber that the WBC is and much less hyped. I love baseball and did some Premier12-related editing on some pages. I don't think you can make the soccer comp though seeing as it's such a massive outlier as far as global sport popularity goes. Very few sports we have at ITN/R have several different international competitions like this in play. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

November 26

Portal:Current events/2024 November 26

November 26, 2024 (2024-11-26) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement The Security Cabinet of Israel agrees to a 60-day ceasefire in Lebanon. (CNN) (The Times of Israel) U.S President Joe Biden announces that the ceasefire has been accepted. (CNBC) For the first time since the start of the conflict, the Israeli military issues evacuation orders for central Beirut, warning residents of four neighbourhoods to leave as soon as possible. (The Times of Israel) Airstrikes are carried out by the Israeli Air Force across several areas of Beirut, Lebanon, hitting at least 20 locations and resulting in several casualties. (Euronews) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Kurakhove Russian forces enter the city of Kurakhove in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, with heavy fighting reportedly underway. (Al Arabiya) Somali Civil War Puntland–Somaliland dispute Las Anod conflict Somaliland imposes a curfew following a clash between soldiers and civilians that resulted in nine deaths and many injuries in Erigavo, Sanaag, Somaliland. (Idil News) (Hiiraan Online) (Horseed Media) Arrest of Imran Khan Six people, including four paramilitary soldiers, are killed in clashes between security forces and supporters of former Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan in Islamabad. The protesters, led by Khan's Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf party, are calling for Khan's immediate release from prison. (Reuters) Unidentified gunmen ambush a group of motorcycle taxis returning from a religious ceremony in Bria, Haute-Kotto, Central African Republic, killing 10 people. (AP) Business and economy 2021–present United Kingdom cost-of-living crisis Multinational car manufacturing company Stellantis announces that it will close its van-production factory in Luton, England, putting 1,100 jobs at risk, citing the UK's economic conditions and the government's zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate as reasons for its closure. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents 2024 Red Sea tourist boat disaster Four people are found dead and five others are rescued from a tourist boat that sank yesterday off the coast of Marsa Alam, Red Sea Governorate, Egypt. Seven others are still missing. (The Guardian) Winter of 2024–25 in the Gaza Strip A winter storm floods refugee camps across the Gaza Strip, leading to several thousands of shelters being damaged or destroyed, and worsening refugee exposure to cold and illness. (Reuters) Five people are killed and 20 others are reported missing when a motorboat capsizes in Warri, Delta State, Nigeria. (Reuters) Five people are killed and another is in critical condition when a Cessna 206 Stationair aircraft crashes into the Pico Blanco mountain near San José, Costa Rica. (DW) (The Tico Times) Law and crime Censorship in Iraq The Iraqi Ministry of Communications blocks access to the IMDb website, citing concerns of "immoral content". (Intellinews) (Shafaq News) LGBT rights in Hong Kong Chief justice Andrew Cheung of the Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal rules to uphold housing and inheritance rights for same-sex couples in the city. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections The Bangladesh Police fire tear gas at more than 2,000 Hindus protesting in Chittagong, Bangladesh, against the arrest of Chinmoy Krishna Das, a Hindu leader and ISKCON monk, on sedition charges. One is killed, and 27 are injured. (Hindustan Times) (Al Jazeera) (The Times of India) Science and technology Japanese space program JAXA aborts an Epsilon S engine test after a fire occurs at the Tanegashima Space Center in Kagoshima Prefecture, Japan. (DW) (CNA) Social media platform Bluesky says it will comply with rules set by the European Union after being accused of violating digital regulations under the Digital Services Act. (Luxemburg Times) (Bloomberg)

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RD: Shalom Nagar

Article: Shalom Nagar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Jonathan Deamer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Known for executing war criminal and Nazi Party official Adolf Eichmann by hanging. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Note this article has been nominated for AFD. Until that is resolved, I don't believe we can post this. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
  • So far only KEEP votes at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shalom Nagar. --PFHLai (talk) 13:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Earl Holliman

Article: Earl Holliman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no quality issues. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. All sourced. Looks good to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 13:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support properly cited. no quality issues. Scuba 15:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Well sourced, no tags, ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 16:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 07:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Israel-Lebanon Ceasefire

Article: 2024 Israel–Lebanon ceasefire agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel and Lebanon agree to a 60-day ceasefire agreement to halt the war in Lebanon (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel and Hezbollah agree to a a 60-day ceasefire agreement to halt the the war in Lebanon
News source(s): CBS
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A ceasefire agreement between the two countries is expected to enter into force tomorrow. Article seems decent. — Knightoftheswords 20:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support A major development. If the ceasefire agreement is actually implemented in the manner claimed by Netanyahu and Biden, it would mean the reclamation of control by the Lebanese army and effectively the end of Hezbollah military dominance in most of southern Lebanon. I am fine to wait until tomorrow if necessary to see if the ceasefire agreement is ultimately accepted by all parties - but assuming it is successfully entered into, then this should be posted. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality only. The background has far too much focus on the conflict where this should use summaries more and point to relevant pages via main/seealso templates. There should be more on the past efforts to organize a ceasefire, including nations involved (here, this being US and France). Masem (t) 21:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support First ceasefire since the start of the conflict over a year ago, and is a major development of the conflict. TheHiddenCity (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

•Support Regardless if the attempted ceasefire is successful or not. This is a historical development to the conflict. Rager7 (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per above. This is a major development in the conflict, even if the conflict itself is covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support - suggest Alt Blurb Shouldn't it technically be a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah (not lebanon) this is how most RS are noting it. Schwinnspeed (talk) 03:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for ceasefire to formally go into effect, then support altblurb per Schwinnspeed. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  It formally went into effect two hours ago. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support original blurb, not alt blurb. CNN reports "Israel and Lebanon have accepted a US-backed proposal"[6]. Lebanon is a party to this agreement (as noted in the article itself), and the Lebanese army taking control south of the Litani is a major part of this agreement. L'Orient Today, a major Lebanese newspaper, also presented the full text of the "cease-fire agreement between Israel and Lebanon"[7], and several points of the agreement relate specifically to the Lebanese government.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Vice regent:: The vast majority of reliable news sources specify Hezbollah in their headlines, here are just a few: Washington Post, New York Times, BBC, Reuters, [NBC]. It feels like an important distinction for ITN. Schwinnspeed (talk) 05:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  Firstly, headlines are not reliable. Secondly, plenty of sources characterize this as "Israel and Lebanon" ceasefire: Atlantic Council, UN news, Politico, Axios, LA Times etc. Thirdly, looking deeper into the sources makes it clear that the Israeli government, Lebanese government and Hezbollah leadership are all parties to this agreement. One could argue that "Lebanon" is accurate, since all Hezbollah members are Lebanese citizens. Some potential compromises would be to say "Israel and Lebanon, including Hezbollah, agree to..." or "The Israeli and Lebanese governments, and Hezbollah agree to..." VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 08:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - if there was an armistice, but given the history of ceasefires in past conflicts, this may not be that significant. Especially with reports that Israel warning Lebanese civilians not to return to the south. In the meantime, this is covered by ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Also, the article to link for the current war in Lebanon should be 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, as per consensus here.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support A possible flagpole of the war. ArionStar (talk) 12:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Blurb I: Historic end to Hezbollah's control of the south (for now at least) Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb in principle. Widely reported news which should bring the fighting to at least a temporary halt on one front. The altblurb is more accurate than the original. However I have two concerns with the article: a) The 'background' section has sparse references; because this is a controversial topic that should be improved, especially when discussing motivations. I'm not a fan of mirroring a section from another article, but if that's the approach taken it will require fixing on the mirrored article. b) The lead indicates that this is a permanent ceasefire, but the body (and nominated blurb) both say it's only for 60 days. Those should be made consistent. Modest Genius ^talk 14:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support alt not seeing any glaring problems with the article. Scuba 15:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted, but more concisely, avoiding "agree to an agreement". Sandstein 20:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jim Abrahams

Article: Jim Abrahams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: part of the Zucker, Abrahams, Zucker trio that produced comedy films like Airplane! Article needs more sources Masem (t) 19:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now as nom said, the article is in need of more sources and is currently orange tagged. If these issues are fixed, please ping me and I will change my vote accordingly. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose orange tag, vast swaths of the article are uncited. Scuba 15:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Article is a stub, and we don't post stubs. Schwede66 07:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Only 260 words of prose and existing materials are not well sourced. Please expand a bit more and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Tinniswood

Article: John Tinniswood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [[8]], [[9]]
Credits:

• Nominated by Julius Barclay (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World's oldest man, oldest surviving World War II Veteran, died Monday aged 112. Was oldest man since 29 June 2024. Julius Barclay (talk) 15:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support RIP. No quality issues that I could find. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Meets ITN standards. No citation issues or anything like that. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Notable, no issues, Article in the news, so postable. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 11:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  The one time "old man dies" is actually an argument in favour of posting. 147.161.133.85 (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  The "old man dies" argument is usually used by people against posting blurbs, as RD doesn't have the same notability requirements of ITN. Aydoh8^[contribs] 03:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no problems Scuba 15:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 07:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jan Furtok

Article: Jan Furtok (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Polish Radio
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The article could be easily expanded, doesn't convey nearly enough that he was one of Poland’s best ever players. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no immediate quality issues. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage, needs expansion in prose. Spencer^T•C 04:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose For someone who played for the national team for nearly ten years, the career section is quite short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft support sure the article could use some expansion, but the content that is there is of a high enough quality to post. Scuba 15:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Ohmygoodness Soft support sounds so much better than weak support, it's so 2020s. I'm gonna use that from now on.--Ouro (blah blah) 06:05, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Now with 340 words of prose. Time for a re-review? Is there a source for the second table in the Career statistics section? --PFHLai (talk) 17:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

November 25

Portal:Current events/2024 November 25

November 25, 2024 (2024-11-25) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Haitian crisis The United Nations orders its staff to evacuate from Port-au-Prince, Haiti, as clashes between armed gangs, police, and civilian vigilantes escalate in the city. Nonprofit organization Food for the Poor also ceases operations in Haiti due to gang disruptions. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy German economic crisis Germany's largest steelmaker conglomerate, ThyssenKrupp, announces plans to layoff 11,000 workers, including 5,000 in Europe, by 2030. (DW) Disasters and accidents 2024–25 Australian region cyclone season Sixteen people are killed and six others are missing in flash floods caused by Tropical Low 01U in Sumatra, Indonesia. (AP) (The Irish Examiner) 2024 Red Sea tourist boat disaster Sixteen people are missing and 28 others are rescued after a boat carrying tourists sinks off the coast of Marsa Alam, Red Sea Governorate, Egypt. (BBC News) Swiftair Flight 5960 One crew member is killed and three others are injured when a DHL Boeing 737-400F cargo plane operated by Swiftair crashes into the ground near a residential building while approaching Vilnius Airport in Lithuania. No one on the ground is injured. (Reuters) (DW) Nine migrants, including six children, are killed and 39 others are rescued from a shipwreck off the coast of Samos, Greece. (Al Jazeera) (The Express Tribune) International relations Afghanistan–Russia relations Secretary of the Security Council of Russia Sergei Shoigu pledges Russia's intent to build closer ties with the Taliban Government of Afghanistan, and states that the United States should lead rebuilding efforts due to its part in the War in Afghanistan. (Reuters) Foreign ministers of the G7 nations hold a meeting in Fiuggi and Anagni, Italy, to discuss ceasefire efforts between Israel and Lebanon as well as the International Criminal Court's arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas military chief Mohammed Deif. (Digital Journal) Law and crime Censorship in Australia Australian Parliament vetoes a bill that would authorize the Australian Communications and Media Authority to implement detailed surveillance on digital platforms and enforce anti-misinformation punitive measures on them, which opposition politicians condemn as "censorship laws" and a betrayal to democracy. (AP) Indictments against Donald Trump U.S. federal judge Tanya Chutkan of the District Court for the District of Columbia dismisses the two criminal cases by Jack Smith against President-elect Donald Trump, including the classified documents case and the case involving Trump's efforts to overturn his defeat to President Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election. (CBS News) (Politico) Five people are killed in a mass shooting in Saint Andrew, Kingston, Jamaica. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Jubaland presidential election The Jubaland House of Representatives re-elects incumbent President Ahmed Madobe for the third time amid tensions with the Somali federal government that resulted in armed forces being deployed to Kamboni, Badhadhe District, Lower Juba, Somalia. (AFP) (Garowe Online) (The Eastleigh Voice) Science and technology Microsoft reports widespread outages across Outlook, Teams, and other 365 programs. The outages are later resolved during the evening. (Forbes) (CNN) Sports In auto racing, Formula One announces that General Motors will join the grid as a constructor under the Cadillac Team beginning in the 2026 season. (Formula 1) (Front Office Sports) In cricket, batter Vaibhav Suryavanshi becomes the youngest player to sign with the Indian Premier League at the age of 13. (DW) (Hindustan Times) The World Chess Championship 2024 starts in Singapore, with Ding Liren winning with black against Gukesh Dommaraju. (FIDE)

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(Posted) RD: Peggy Caserta

Article: Peggy Caserta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

• Created and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American businesswoman and memoirist. Died on November 21. Death announced on November 25. TJMSmith (talk) 02:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mike Hasenfratz

Article: Mike Hasenfratz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11][12]
Credits:

• Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pyropylon98 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former referee in the National Hockey League Flibirigit (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate. No serious issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Working on expansion. Flibirigit (talk) 19:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Significant expansion completed. Flibirigit (talk) 01:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks good enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 13:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no problems Scuba 15:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 07:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nikki Kaye

Article: Nikki Kaye (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former National minister Nikki Kaye dies, aged 44
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former New Zealand MP; died aged 44 from cancer. Date of death is not known yet. Schwede66 01:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Significant amount of CN tags. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support I have added some references to all but one of the CN tags to improve verifiability. Think article is in good enough shape now. Kiwichris (talk) 05:10, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support one outstanding CN tag but I guess we could just remove it if we can't find a source for it. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:03, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Support I'm not seeing any cn tags, just two whom tags, but considering the length of the article I think that's fine for inclusion in RD. Scuba 15:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Swiftair 737 crashes in Lithuania

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Article: Swiftair Flight 5960 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Swiftair Boeing 737 (accident aircraft pictured) crashes near Vilnius Airport, Lithuania, killing one pilot. (Post)
News source(s): BBC FlightGlobal CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
• Created by RandomInfinity17 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Very rare to see an airliner crashing in Europe. No immediate quality issues apart from a UGS tag which could easily be fixed. Edit: it appears to have been fixed. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd support this as a testament to the development of airliner crash safety; ten were involved in a crash of a cargo airliner and only one lost their life. Oppose for now because only one person died. Maybe if this becomes a wider incident like the 737 plague it'd be notable but as it is we're to a point where (at least in my opinion) large airplane crashes are not blurb-worthy. Departure– (talk) 01:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose low number of fatalities/injuries as this was a cargo plane and does not seem like a systemic issue that would cause scrutiny of the aircraft line. Natg 19 (talk) 01:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom. Only a single fatality and the long term significance of this event is doubtful. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Thankfully a comparatively minor incident with low casualties. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Seems unlikely to be posted but it's in the news and we have a decent article about it. Attracted international coverage. AusLondonder (talk) 12:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom but only 1 fatality and pretty much everything above The AP (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support it was a cargo plane, the only people on board where the pilots, casualties shouldn't be what keeps this from being posted. Article is of high quality, and this is getting global coverage in the news.

It's a Boeing 737 crash, that alone should warrant inclusion. Scuba 20:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

No, it doesn't warrant inclusion just because it's a 737, especially if one cannot tell the difference between a 737-400SF of the second generation 737 Classic series and one of the fourth generation 737 MAX series. -- KTC (talk) 21:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - seems relatively minor in the great scheme of things. No prejudice on relisting if it turns out to be a Russian terror attack or something. Nfitz (talk) 05:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. We wouldn't post a road crash that caused one death. I don't see any reason to treat this differently just because it involved an aeroplane. Procedurally, the nominated blurb doesn't even link to the article! Modest Genius ^talk 14:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Leaning Oppose. (edit conflict) Low amount of casualties but other than that, this was mostly a minor incident and sabotage doesn't seem to be the cause for now. It's a relief that there weren't any ground casualties/injuries. It seems that cargo aircraft accidents are rarely posted if the accident was significant enough. For example, Turkish Airlines Flight 6491 was posted due to the high death toll on the ground. Flight 810's nomination was against posting as no one died. Moreover, no one seem to have nominated the crash of Atlas Air Flight 3591 (3 casualties). 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 14:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) Trump Charges Dismissed

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Article: Indictments against Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All remaining Federal criminal charges against US president-elect Donald Trump are dismissed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ All remaining Federal criminal charges against US president-elect Donald Trump are dismissed without prejudice due to presidential immunity.
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Under normal circumstances I would not make or support this nomination. However, most of the indictments were posted on ITN against the very strong objection of some editors both on BLP grounds and the fact that it was contrary to our customary practice of only posting convictions. Under the circumstances, I think we need to take note of what is probably their final disposition. It is receiving front page coverage both in the US and abroad. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC) -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I have struck my original blurb in favor of the alt which is much better. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

two wrongs don't make a right — hako9 (talk) 23:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

True, but this is probably as close as we can get. The indictments should never have been posted and it is my sincere hope that we never do anything like that again. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - consequence of a story we already posted, Trump winning the presidential election. The idea that a truly unprecedented event, a former president being indicted on criminal charges, should not have been posted is both a personal opinion and not relevant to whether or not this story should be posted. nableezy - 23:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

If you are going to post that someone is charged with a crime, and we certainly would have (and in one case correctly did) post any convictions, why would we not post the dismissal of the charges? (Unless the decisions involved were heavily motivated by a strong animus or a desire to right great wrongs.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Besides the utter lack of AGF in that parentheses, the reason is that one thing was unprecedented and treated as such across the globe, and the other is a predictable consequence of what we already posted. I wont return the favor of failing to AGF in making unsubstantiated claims about the motives of this nomination. And also, despite the claim that there is a probable final disposition of this story here, the charges were dismissed without prejudice, allowing them to be re-filed when Trumps presidency comes to an end. nableezy - 00:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

So basically we can announce criminal indictments on the main page of one of the most trafficked websites in the world, and quietly ignore it when they go away? The fact that he was an ex-president is neither here nor there. He was entitled to the basic protections of BLP and we set aside our very longstanding practice of only posting convictions. And FTR my opinion of Donald Trump is unprintable. But I do believe in basic fairness, even for people I detest. I'm not going to relitigate what happened beyond that it was an egregious error that should not be compounded. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

It is here and there, that was an unprecedented event in US history. And sources treated it as such. The basic protections of BLP are to not say anything untrue about a public figure, and he was indicted. There was zero BLP issue in saying that. I dgaf what our very longstanding practice is, there is nothing in BLP that says we should not include what is verifiably true. And there is nothing in any guideline that says one of the biggest news stories of the year should not be on our front page section of In the News. BLP does not mean, and has never meant, we cannot include anything negative about a living person, it means we write conservatively and accurately. It was indisputably true that Donald Trump was indicted in several criminal cases and that he was the first former US president in history to have been indicted. There is 0 BLP issue in saying that, not in an article and not on the front page. nableezy - 00:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose was foregone conclusion as soon as Trump was named the winner. Also a subtlety is that they are being dropped without prejudice, meaning they could be brought up once he is out of office, so it's not the true end of the story. Masem (t) 00:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  It was a forgone conclusion that Trump was going to face criminal indictments. We posted them anyway. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  No it wasn't, we had no way to predict how the grand jury, and Smith's subsequent actions, would go, because they didn't discuss them in public until court filings. Trump said numerous times that he would make the cases go away as president, and the DOJ has a standing policy that they cannot go after a sitting president, so that this happened like this was of zero surprise.. Only that Smith volunteered to end it before Trump took office might not have been part of it but the net result was. Masem (t) 00:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose current blurb If Trump's charges were dismissed on the merits or he was explicitly found not guilty, that would be one thing. Here, however, the blurb is actively misleading: the current phrasing, by omission, makes it sound like the case against Trump was dismissed on the merits. In fact, the opposite is true: the government initiated the motion to dismiss on a without prejudice basis while maintaining the strength of its case. The sole and only reason for this is the constitutional prohibition on prosecuting a sitting president. Per the Government's motion to dismiss: the dismissal "does not turn on the gravity of the crimes charged, the strength of the government's proof, or the merits of the prosecution, which the government stands fully behind". Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Fair point. I tend to try and keep blurbs succinct but have no objections to an alt blurb if you would care to propose one. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

And a fair response, Ad Orientem. I have added an alt blurb. I soft support alt blurb. On the one hand, I think that this a foregone conclusion: if he won, this was always going to happen. On the other hand, I am generally an inclusionist when it comes to things making global headlines going on ITN. Given that we posted the indictment, I am inclined to support for reasons of balance. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Upon further review of the target article, I oppose on quality grounds per Andrew Davidson. The target article doesn't contain sufficient explanation & updated information corresponding to the info communicated in the blurb. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose for now per all above. Maybe I'd support if he actually went to prison in this time. Departure– (talk) 01:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per MASEM. The process leading to the dismissal of charges was perhaps unexpected, but the fact of the matter is, the ultimate result of these cases with Trump as the sitting president likely wouldn't have had much actual impact, and I'd say the lack of a verdict is of even less impact in the end. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose for the same reasons the 1 July 2024 SCOTUS decision on presidential immunity. Trump winning the presidential election is noteworthy, while this doesn't have the notability for ITN. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Procedurally, there's zero mention of this blurb at the bolded target.—Bagumba (talk) 07:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The nominated article has not been updated. And that article covers multiple proceedings and some are still open or are now proceeding to sentencing. We shouldn't run a headline saying that all charges have been dismissed when it's more complex than that. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above - wasn't this closed ? The AP (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose why is this still open? Scuba 20:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2024 Sambhal Violence, Uttar Pradesh, India

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Article: 2024 Sambhal Violence (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 4 people died and 30 injuries(20 police), Violent clashes in Uttar Pradesh, India (Post)
News source(s): BBC Indiatoday Timesofindia Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

 Spworld2(talk) 17:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

changed RD box to normal ITN box --2600:1700:4579:B80:9D1C:5ECE:9EEB:47FD (talk) 10:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Without expansion, this seems like a small flare up in a country where such protests and conflicts are commonplace. --Masem (t) 13:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Sad to say but such violence and riots are common in India; additionally, it is a small flare-up with only 4 deaths, thus not not worthy of ITN The AP (talk) 13:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. Tragic, but commonplace in a country like India. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Undecided on the nom but do we really need three comments belittling the world's largest democracy and trivialising the deaths as "only 4" in a "country like India"? AusLondonder (talk) 14:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  we are stating facts and not because it is “the world's largest democracy” we are not going to give it a special notoriety if they are recurrent events in that country. It is the same parameter we use to judge shootings in the United States or earthquakes in the Philippines. Since this is not a news-ticket portal, we should value it more for notoriety than for newsworthiness. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  WP is not a newspaper and not every event, even those involving deaths, necessary need coverage, much less inclusion on the main page. How likely is this going to have enduring coverage and not just a burst of news? — Masem (t) 15:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

  I am an Indian myself, and I don't find any interpretation of any comment that is "belittling" the "world's largest democracy." Even though the incident is tragic, it has a low number of fatalities; as such, I didn't find it worthy for ITN. Also to note - such incidents are common and recurring in India sadly so we can't possibly include each of them to ITN The AP (talk) 15:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose I'm not seeing this being reported outside of Indian news sources. It's terrible that people have died, but I just don't think this is a major enough event to warrant ITN posting. Scuba 16:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Uruguayan general election

Article: 2024 Uruguayan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Yamandú Orsi and the Broad Front wins the runoff to the 2024 Uruguayan general election against Álvaro Delgado and the Republican Coalition. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Yamandú Orsi (pictured) is elected president of Uruguay
News source(s): Al Jazeera AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Created by Fadesga (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gbuvn (talk · give credit), Fadesga (talk · give credit), Loveisamoracle (talk · give credit), Segagustin (talk · give credit) and Spaastm (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I believe this is ITN/R as both a change in the president (according to AP News) and as the results of a general election. Please let me know if I'm missing something; thanks! Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment Álvaro Delgado is a disambiguation link. I think you mean Álvaro Delgado (politician). 64.114 etc 04:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Fixed - thanks. Staraction (talk | contribs) 07:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose very little prose on campaign and aftermath. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Second half of the article is almost entirely tables. Needs more prose to be suitable for ITN. Flip^andFlopped ツ 07:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose the article only has a one sentence aftermath section and is mostly tables. It is ITN/R, so once that is cleaned up I'll change my vote. Scuba 16:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Breyten Breytenbach

Article: Breyten Breytenbach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

• Nominated by Plifal (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Laterthanyouthink (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nominator's comments: Important anti-apartheid activist and poet laureate. – Plifal (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Citation needed tags are in place. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft support I only see one CN tag. Scuba 16:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Properly cited. His works are their own citations. Bremps... 20:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Support I have added significantly to this article since yesterday, and although there is no doubt more that could be added, I think it's ready to go. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is ready for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. No citation needed tags when I looked just a few minutes ago. Putting this onto the main page might lead to some much-needed improvement... -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 21:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Note: I've cleaned up the major mess I made, leaving the secondary sources I'd added before suddenly getting terribly confused while reading about translingualism and abandoning a language to write in another... -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 00:22, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Seems adequate to me, no CN Tags. Flip^andFlopped ツ 22:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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