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Hanna Harrell

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Non-notable figure skater; does not meet the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Despite the volume of provided sources, most of those are competition results and databases, and what isn't appears to mostly be skating blogs. I'll let the community decide whether what's there qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 01:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Hanna Harrell medaled at the US senior championships. Significant coverage surely exists. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSKATE calls for a gold medal at the senior national champiomships; her highest finish was 4th. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSKATE says that the criteria are chosen on the grounds that "significant coverage is likely to exist for figure skating figures if they [do these things]". And I think it's impossible that a US championships medalist would not have significant coverage. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did a very quick search and have found an NBC article ("Hanna Harrell talks taking on Russians at world junior championships") and a YouTube documentary/reportage by U.S. Figure Skating ("Portrait of a Skater — Hanna Harrell"). There's also a full-fledged biography on the Texas Children's Hospital website (here). --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's an athlete that has competed for her country internationally. There are similar athletes on Wikipedia whose notability isn't questioned with far less developed articles. I can't understand why this is even an issue. ash (talk) 14:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Competing internationally isn't inherently notable. Unfortunately, nothing that this skater has done meets the standards of notability established per WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fortunately, she meets WP:GNG. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I don't understand your agenda here on AfD.
Like, you nomitated Kamil Białas 2 (two) times with exactly the same rationale:
· Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas
· Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas (2nd nomination).
Are you planning to nominate it 100 times? (It is a good tactics that I have seen being used successfully. Sooner or later no one notices and the proposal passes. I can't be here on Wikipedia 24/7.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sufficiently notable for inclusion per GNG. Vedicant (talk) 21:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lee Feinswog

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Delete – article has no substantive references, and my WP:BEFORE turned up no decent independent secondary sources to establish or support the subject’s notability with respect to WP:JOURNALIST or WP:AUTHOR. He does run https://volleyballmag.com/ which is cited in some 50+ Wikipedia articles, and if that is sufficient for notability, I would happily rescind my recommendation to delete. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can only find one book review for HoopDaddy [1], which isn't enough to pass AUTHOR. Rest of the sourcing isn't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 16:00, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep for now. I've added some sources from Newspapers.com, I'll admit they aren't super strong but they were quick to add so it's a weak keep for now. SEMMENDINGER (talk) 00:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Indra Rajya Laxmi Pragya Puraskar

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of notability under GNG or SNG. Appears to be some type of award but there are no sources which really cover it much less GNG sources. North8000 (talk) 18:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep for historic reasons. There are plenty of notable people from Nepal who were recognized after getting this award. It has been stopped because of royal name attached to it after Nepal entered into the republic era. Plenty of sources are available if you search in native language (i.e. Nepali - इन्द्रराज्यलक्ष्मी प्रज्ञा–पुरस्कार) nirmal (talk) 04:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable national award established by a Head of state. We generally keep awards with national significance.4meter4 (talk) 13:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Minera Valparaíso

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Fails WP:NCORP, no sources cited in the article. Created by a sockpuppet, see previous AfD. I don't know if WP:G5 applies anymore since it's over 10 years. Mika1h (talk) 20:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ruger LC carbine

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Disputed WP:BLAR but this article fails our WP:NOT policy, it is little more than a catalogue listing for two of the related guns by the company. As the BLAR was disputed, I proposed redirect to Sturm, Ruger & Co.#Products. Bobby Cohn (talk) 20:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I object. I created the page for other to edit it as they wish. I oppose the deletion of the LC carbine wikipedia page outright. Stormm001 (talk) 20:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Needs sourcing... Some coverage in the NRA magazine [2] and in Guns magazine [3]. The NRA would certainly be biased, but I see no reason it would not be a RS. Oaktree b (talk) 01:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You 🙏🏻 Stormm001 (talk) 04:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sky Sport Arena

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. One is their own website and the other are some type of listing. It's not a television stattion. It appears that it is some type of content which is available for streaming. North8000 (talk) 21:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport Arena It's a basic overflow channel and nothing more. Nate • (chatter) 00:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above Classic case of a big bouquet of channels that only deserve mention in their parent outlet's page. There's a whole footnote of WP:NCBC for this exact kind of deletion discussion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport MotoGP

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. Two are their own website and the other is some type of program listing. Tagged by others since Sept 2024. North8000 (talk) 21:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport MotoGP Actual article content here is nonsense from a globally-locked account which reads like Google Translate polling ChatGPT for some reason; this is a real channel, but all it does is carry motorcycle races from said platform. Nate • (chatter) 00:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport Uno

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. One is their own website and the others are some type of listing. (It's not broadcast television channel.) Tagged by others for sourcing issues since march North8000 (talk) 21:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Italia.4meter4 (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport Uno Actual article content here is nonsense from a globally-locked account which reads like Google Translate polling ChatGPT for some reason; this is a real channel, but now part of a suite. Nate • (chatter) 00:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nurida Gadirova Ateshi

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Does not pass WP:GNG. REFBOMB and promotional concerns…All of the sources are not adequate for notability. Kadı Message 21:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No evidence of passing Prof or GNG. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NAUTHOR, and WP:ACADEMIC.4meter4 (talk) 02:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject clearly meets the WP:AUTHOR criteria. Several articles by them are available on Academia. Besides, if you think there is a WP:REFBOMB' you can fix it, and you can also remove the promotional content. I don't think deleting it would be a good idea. Baqi:) (talk) 17:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jannatulbaqi, Could you please indicate the valuable sources by providing links which you are referring in your opinion? Kadı Message 22:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. With many book publications, WP:AUTHOR is plausible, but only if we can find multiple reliable-published reviews of multiple books. I didn't find any in Google Scholar and JSTOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Judas Prada

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Stub about a basketball coach. I took a crack at looking for material but came up short. Best I could add is that he did one year as an assistant coach in the NBA. I could flesh it out with more lower level teams he was associated with, but I found nothing but database entries and mentions in passing of his short stints at colleges and a Chinese team, so it does nto seem worth it. No in depth sources about him, so no evidence he passes WP:SPORTBASIC. No evidence he ever played in NBA so fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Don't see this meeting WP:NBIO Meters (talk) 23:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention that there was an unsourced (and undone) edit last year that claimed that as of 2023 he was a middle school basketball coach [4]. Meters (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am getting some hits in google books. I think it highly probable that there may be coverage in newspaper archives. Anyone able to check newspapers.com?4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to withdraw this if suitable coverage is found, but I didn't find any in depth coverage. Appears to be a run-of-the-mill coach with short stints at various colleges, and who peaked with one year as an assistant in the NBA. Meters (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Not notable. No significant coverage. Vedicant (talk) 20:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tibet Tourism

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There does not appear to be any significant coverage of this company to pass WP:NCORP. The sources that were added by the article creator [5] in response to my PROD are merely company listings on other websites and not significant coverage. – notwally (talk) 23:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP. This is a listed company that has been on the Shanghai Stock Exchange since 1996, and there is no problem with WP:NORG (WP:LISTED). In addition, I added Western media sources such as Financial Times and Bloomberg. TinaLees-Jones (talk) 23:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From the policy you cited: "There has been considerable discussion over time whether publicly traded corporations, or at least publicly traded corporations listed on major stock exchanges such as the NYSE and other comparable international stock exchanges, are inherently notable. Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in this (or any other) case. However, sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports. Accordingly, article authors should make sure to seek out such coverage and add references to such articles to properly establish notability." The Financial Times and Bloomberg company profiles you added are not significant coverage that would establish notability, and I have not found sources with significant coverage when trying to research this company. If these sources exist, then you should add them into the article. – notwally (talk) 23:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I believe that all Wikipedia editors are equal; therefore, the use of the term should reflects a deficiency in reasonableness and mutual trust. Secondly, this is a Chinese publicly traded corporation, and I have included extensive information in Chinese; but I would not assert that proficiency in Chinese is necessary to comprehend this material. TinaLees-Jones (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep According to WP:SIRS notability for listed companies on major exchanges (such as the Shanghai Stock Exchange) can be shown using analyst reports. Examples of in-depth analysis for this company include:

Pacific Securities (太平洋证) 2021 results analysis: https://pdf.dfcfw.com/pdf/H3_AP202109221517795746_1.pdf?1632294522000.pdf 2021-09-17
Bank of China International Securities, In-depth *Company* Tibet Tourism (600749) Review: 11 billion yuan acquisition of Lakala as a third-party payment https://stock.finance.sina.com.cn/stock/go.php/vReport_Show/kind/search/rptid/530988963292/index.phtml
Huaxin Securities (华鑫证券) Tibet Tourism (600749) Annual Report Commentary: Non-operating income reverses company performance https://stock.finance.sina.com.cn/stock/go.php/vReport_Show/kind/search/rptid/507833584150/index.phtml

A long list of analyst reports can be found here[6] Oblivy (talk) 03:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sheida Mohammadi

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Fails notability, never won anything in senior level. never even competed. based on the article she won a bronze in Gymnasiade which is far from being notable. Sports2021 (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, she is on a track that eventually might lead somewhere, but she has not arrived at notability yet, being a participant in children's sports events. Geschichte (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamidreza Sadri (Taekwondo)

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Fails notability, it was deleted once after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamidreza Sadri now created under another name by the same user to trick wikipedia. Sports2021 (talk) 22:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - given that this was created by the same user as the one that created Hamidreza Sadri, could this be WP:G4 speedy deleted? Both claim to just be direct translations from Farsi Wikipedia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep to me the users decided wrongly about last AFD , because he has the notablity of sportpersons in Wikipedia and I Didn't tricks anyone I just couldn't put New AFD, however This article is only translated from the farsi Wikipedia . Hamidreza Sadri is holder of Silver medal Asian junior and Gold medal at military world games which both competitions are notable for Wikipedia and now he plays Azarbaijan national team and these days he injured but he will get back to competitions soon

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Samudra Gupta (poet)

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Fails WP:GNG. A single source sited couldn't help in establishing notability. Nothing to be found upon searching through Edward Betts. Garudam ^Talk! 22:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep its Bengali-language page bn:সমুদ্র গুপ্ত (কবি) has three sources. One of them is significant which is "Samsad Bangla Charitabhidhan", a biography encyclopedia. And the subject has reliable sources such as Amader Shomoy, Kaler Kantho, Daily Kalbela, Daily Azadi, Jaijaidin, Sahitya Barta, Daily Star (2) etc. So it is clear that it doesn’t fail WP:GNG. Mehedi Abedin 23:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I wonder why the article is the subject to deletion discussion. It is created in 2008, in that time the Wikipedia guidelines were not broader and more specific like the present. If I am not wrong in this case we don't delete them because they were created before the more strict rules were passed. Could someone tell me if I get it right? Mehedi Abedin 23:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That should not be a reason. And no, this has nothing to do with the age of the article. You should go through WP:BEENHERE & WP:STONE. Garudam ^Talk! 00:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mehedi Abedin: Garudam is correct, the current policies and guidelines always apply. No article is grandfathered in for having met the rules when it was created. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In addition to the Bengali-language biographical encyclopedia that Mehedi Abedin mentions above, Samudra Gupta has several paragraphs in the Bangla Academy Dictionary of Writers and an entry in Who's Who in Bangladesh Art Culture Literature (1901-1991). I've used the former and a couple of newspaper articles to expand the article slightly. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AccessKenya Group

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This page was edited back in 2012 by the same user who created Invade Agro Limited, and who was blocked for promotional editing. Company does not appear to be notable enough for a standalone article, and reliable sources are clearly lacking. I'm surprised it took this long for someone to bring this article to AfD. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Woja Emmanuel

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two concerns, 1st: Subjects notable only for one event (kidnapping) which covered by one sourced that he worked for, see WP:BLP1E. 2nd: the main contribator to the article seems to be the person himself as they uploaded 3 different images of the topic of article while claiming they were theirs, see [Woja Emmanuel pictures at commons]. yet the editor did not delcar any conflict of interest, so this article may also falls under Wikipedia:Autobiography FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Invade Agro Limited

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Non-notable company. Sources seem insufficient to pass WP:NCOMPANY. COI issues are also somewhat evident, and author keeps removing maintenance templates for no reason. Page was previously deleted under WP:G11 but it was immediately recreated by the author. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kym Illman

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This photographer does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:PHOTOGRAPHER. I've actually come across Illman's YouTube channel before, but I'm just not seeing the sourcing to establish notability. The most solid source I found is this profile from Nine.com.au. I found some other sources like this and this this that quote Illman's social media posts and cover some of the associated drama, but to me this doesn't feel like significant coverage of Illman or his work. Most other sources I came across were passing mentions or just Illman's name in photo credits. I don't think we have enough coverage to meet GNG, but I'm open to discussion with other editors. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I understand. I was browsing the Wikipedia requested articles and saw Illman’s name. As I recognised him, and as I an interested by his work, I thought I should create his page. Whilst creating I did see significantly fewer credible sources than I would have wanted to. Although I do feel like I, or others, could very likely, with some digging around the internet, add some more information to the page that covers more of his life/work, I do agree with there being a lack of sources that establish his notability and would understand if this page is deleted. ThornlessCookieReal (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your understanding. I do think notability is borderline, and I'm open to keeping the page if other editors are able to dig up some better sources. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As of November 29, the article has seen a large amount of revision and inclusion of more reliable sources than it was a few days ago when this AfD was opened. Madeleine961 (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Was going to say almost exactly what Madeleine961 did. Sandcat555 (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the recent expansion, I do agree to keep the article per WP:HEY. Thanks to Hack for the expansion and additional sources. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Astrid Wanja Brune Olsen

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Delete - based on my reading of WP:NTENNIS, I don't think that the subject meets the bar for notability, based on the various stats sites I came across, and the article in its current incarnation. There are several pages published by Tennis Norge that have more coverage, but this seems limited to the subject's participation in the national team fielded at the Fed Cup. That does not seem sufficient to me, but I would happily defer to WP:TENNIS. SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Don't see notability per WP:NTENNIS. Astaire (talk) 00:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Rogovë

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Is WP:NOT, does not meet the criteria for a wikipedia article as it is not in-depth and neither are the sources. It has no information on the fighting during the battle, only giving a "basic layout" of the battle (e.x the casualties,date,result etc...).This battle also had its own article a couple of months ago but it got deleted, this current article is just an attempt to bring back the deleted one, however it does not meet wikipedias guidelines.(And also im not saying that the battle never happened, it just doesnt deserve its own article).Peja mapping (talk) 17:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG lacking WP:RS. Article creator seems to have created a number of pages that are not well-sourced. Mztourist (talk) 07:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of terrorist incidents in North Macedonia

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The whole article is originally researched and violates MOS:TERRORIST. The sources are not conclusive about whether any of these events can be designated as "terrorist". StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is no originally research here nor MOS:TERRORIST violation. In fact, there are no resources in this article and barely any explanation besides "North Macedonia is a landlocked country in Southeast Europe. It shares land borders with Kosovo to the northwest, Serbia to the north, Bulgaria to the east, Greece to the south, and Albania to the west. Below is an incomplete list of terrorist incidents that occurred in North Macedonia" and a list of Wikipedia topics of attacks and conflicts. IdanST (talk) 10:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's the originally researched part. There are no reliable sources that classify these incidents as "terrorist". StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sources are listed in their respective Wikipedia articles, and from an initial review and checking some, they appear to be reliable. IdanST (talk) 10:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited those articles. Articles themselves are not considered reliable. List articles are also subject to WP:V, so citing sources is required on such articles too.

Even if we go by the articles, we'll see that on its respective article, the 2001 insurgency is not classified as a terrorist incident. Neither are the Vejce massacre, Kondovo crisis and the 2014 government attack (unresolved case), nor have I encountered sources who classify them as such. The attack at Gošince has been classified as such by the government but the case is unresolved. The Smilkovci Lake killings have also been classified as such by the government and some experts (before the convictions), and there were also terrorism convictions. The Kumanovo clashes have also been classified as such by the government and there were terrorism convictions. All three occurred when there were ethnic tensions and a political crisis, so their status is controversial. StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it's WP:V violation. I've added RS to all listed attacks. However, I don't know how 2001 insurgency in Macedonia is related to this list. IdanST (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but rename - at least three of these incidents were carried out by or claimed by the National Liberation Army. I think it's useful to group them and show how the situation has evolved or progressed over time and how other instances of ethnic-driven violence have occurred but it might be helpful to be specific in the claims of the list. Other countries (Saudi Arabia, the Philippines, etc.) have much long lists but are not always linked to an article. There are many ways to rework this but I think it's worth keeping around. Kazamzam (talk) 19:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any title(s) in mind? My view has not changed so far but a name change can be considered. StephenMacky1 (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StephenMacky1 - a comparable article might be List of attacks in Lebanon (broad, less of a POV statement than "terrorist") with a similar description. Alternatively, narrowing the article's focus so that it's only attacks carried out by the NLA ('List of terrorist attacks linked to the NLA'), but that would probably be a short list...so perhaps it could be expanded beyond North Macedonia. Many ways to skin this cat, although at some point there's a question of if it's just easier to scrap the article and start fresh with a clear purpose. Kazamzam (talk) 16:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will support renaming it as "List of attacks in North Macedonia". The other title will make the topic more narrow, plus all of the attacks after 2001 were not committed by NLA but by groups claiming to be the NLA. The organization was disbanded. There are other bombings and attacks that can be listed here too. StephenMacky1 (talk) 17:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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George Silva

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Delete - I could not find decent sources with significant coverage of the subject. Nothing that added flesh to the bones of various listings and stats sites. I therefore submit that the subject does not meet WP:NSPORTS, and I note that the article has been unsourced and out-of-date for some time. It is possible that better sources exist in Portuguese that I haven't found, in which case I would be happy to withdraw my nomination. SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spice Grill Flame

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Seems to fail WP:CORP. The references in this article are largely unacceptable as Non-neutral PR releases. The only others offered and found relate to some kind of legal issues between franchisees and the company, but a proper article cannot be based on only that. I also have concerned around possible UPE due to spammy marketing jargon being introduced and reintroduced into this article. - The literary leader of the age ✉ 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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FOK!

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Unsourced for over 10 years. An article about a Dutch forum website. Fails WP:NWEB. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luis Torres (footballer, born 1992)

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A very brief career with no significant coverage per WP:SPORTBASIC. All I can find are trivial mentions like this and this. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, 2,000 light years away from meeting the notability criteria. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zachary Bennett

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The only secondary source in the article is just a passing mention, and I cannot find any other secondary sources for this person. Somatochlora (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Minor character actor in Canada, seems to have passed away (or there are obituaries for a similarly named individual). I don't see much coverage now in the article we can use and I can't bring up anything extra. Oaktree b (talk) 20:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Félix Rodríguez (Mexican footballer)

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Had a brief career in the second tier of Mexico but searches yield nothing that could even come close to counting towards WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, having a blast going through all the non-notable Mexican players. You forgot to mention that the article creator is blocked indefinitely, having disrupted Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 20:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't imagine how many more of these stubs we'd have to deal with if they were not blocked when they were. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jonh González

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Played 44 mins of professional football but no other claim to notability. All I can find is trivial stuff like El Orbe. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, when I come around to assessing the sources he is far from meeting the notability criteria. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yogasana at the 2022 National Games of India

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. This is one of 4 near-identical articles in the NPP que. I took on to AFD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yogasana at the 2023 National Games of India and asked for a thorough discussion as possible guidance for the others and other similar articles. I am AFD'ing the three remaining articles which are are Mallakhamba at the 2023 National Games of India , Archery at the 2023 National Games of India , and Yogasana at the 2022 National Games of India. This would require meeting GNG, i.e. GNG sources on the topic and not only are there not GNG sources, there are no sources except for stats database and as a result the article is stats-only. North8000 (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per discussion on 2023 edition. Geschichte (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Just because a sporting event (or election, etc) happened does not mean it needs a standalone article for detailed results without discussion or substantive sources with additional coverage. If all you can do is copy data from the official website, then just link to that website with a summary in the main article because we are not the place to paste statistics by themselves. Reywas92^Talk 20:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archery at the 2023 National Games of India

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. This is one of 4 near-identical articles in the NPP que. I took on to AFD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yogasana at the 2023 National Games of India and asked for a thorough discussion as possible guidance for the others and other similar articles. I am AFD'ing the three remaining articles which are are Mallakhamba at the 2023 National Games of India , Archery at the 2023 National Games of India , and Yogasana at the 2022 National Games of India. This would require meeting GNG, i.e. GNG sources on the topic and not only are there not GNG sources, there are no sources except for stats database and as a result the article is stats-only. North8000 (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mallakhamba at the 2023 National Games of India

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. This is one of 4 near-identical articles in the NPP que. I took on to AFD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yogasana at the 2023 National Games of India and asked for a thorough discussion as possible guidance for the others and other similar articles. I am AFD'ing the three remaining articles which are are Mallakhamba at the 2023 National Games of India , Archery at the 2023 National Games of India , and Yogasana at the 2022 National Games of India. This would require meeting GNG, i.e. GNG sources on the topic and not only are there not GNG sources, there are no sources except for stats database and as a result the article is stats-only. North8000 (talk) 19:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, 86 it for going against WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Wikipedia is not a repository of detailed results from every thinkable sports competition. Geschichte (talk) 23:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

15.ai

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Fails WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SUSTAINED coverage. Despite extensive attempts to find sources the only notable sources seem to be a flurry of mentions stemming from a Kotaku Odds and Ends article [7] or a controversy involving Troy Baker and Voiceverse. All other sources about 15.ai are either self-published or unreliable. [8] Brocade River Poems (She/They) 19:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep. I'm very surprised to see it being nominated for deletion for a second time even though it was previously decided that the subject met GNG. The subject has been in the news cycle for more than one event. The first time was when it was first unveiled to the public in early 2020 (The Batch). The second time was when it went extremely viral on Twitter (Kotaku, Game Informer, etc. covers this). The third time was when a company Troy Baker partnered with plagiarized 15.ai's work and went viral on Twitter again. (NME, Eurogamer, etc. cover this) Thus, the conditions for WP:BLP1E are not met. WP:SUSTAINED doesn't apply here. I copied over the table from the last deletion nomination.

**Source assessment table:**
Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
[[9]]	Kotaku is in WP:VG/RS: "News posts from Kotaku between 2010 and 2022 are considered reliable"	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its impact	✔ Yes
[[10]]	Game Informer is in WP:VG/RS	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its impact	✔ Yes
[[11]]	PC Gamer is in WP:VG/RS	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its impact	✔ Yes
[[12]]	Rock, Paper, Shotgun is in WP:VG/RS	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its impact	✔ Yes
[[13]]	Den Fami Nico Gamer' is in WP:VG/RS	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its overseas impact	✔ Yes
[[14]]	AUTOMATON was considered to be reliable in a previous noticeboard post.	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its overseas impact	✔ Yes
[[15]]	The Batch is the newsletter personally written by Andrew Ng, one of the most prominent authors in modern AI: [16]. Per WP:ExpertSPS this source is reliable.	The referenced article is about the subject and its functionality (first time 15.ai became popular in early 2020). The newsletter has a section on 15.ai, and per WP:SIGCOV, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material".	✔ Yes
[[17]]	NME is generally reliable for content related to its areas of expertise, which include music and gaming.	The source discusses the subject directly and in detail. It also covers the Voiceverse controversy and 15.ai's role in it. It wasn't a mere mention of 15.ai, but included a description of what 15.ai is, multiple quotes from 15.ai, and discussed how the plagiarism was discovered.	✔ Yes
[[18]]	Eurogamer is in WP:VG/RS	The source discusses the subject directly and in detail. It also covers the Voiceverse controversy and 15.ai's role in it. Again, not a mere trivial mention of 15.ai, but included a description of what 15.ai, multiple quotes from 15.ai, and the whole Twitter interaction that went viral.	✔ Yes
[[19]]	LaPS4 is reliable and independent, especially in Spanish-speaking gaming communities (used in many Spanish Wikipedia gaming pages: https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=laps4&title=Especial%3ABuscar&ns0=1&ns100=1&ns104=1). Plus, the author (Jose Villalobos) is still writing for LaPS4 ([20]), so there's no concern for pay for play.	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its overseas impact	✔ Yes
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**Source assessment table:**
Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
[[21]]	Stevivor is reliable and independent, and it is the most-read independent gaming news network in the Oceanic region. While there is no previous consensus on the reliability of Stevivor, the author (Steve Wright) is still writing for Stevivor ([22]) and has hundreds of reviews on OpenCritic ([23]), so there's no concern for pay for play.	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its impact	✔ Yes
[[24]]	? In a previous archive, it was determined that the usage of WCCFTech is situational due to concerns of pay for play, but in this case the author (Ule Lopez) has been an active writer for a very long time, and is still active today ([25]).	The source discusses the subject directly and in detail. It also covers the Voiceverse controversy and 15.ai's role in it.	? Unknown
[[26]]	? Unknown reliability, though the author has written about other AI-related topics (e.g. [27])	The referenced article is about the subject, its functionality, and its impact	? Unknown
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Aside from these, there are plenty of tech blog posts about the subject, including some from well-known players in the voice AI space. They might not be as reliable as the sources above, but they still indicate notability in the voice AI space. (see ElevenLabs: [28], Speechify: [29], [30], [31], [32], [33]). GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 20:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Sources 1 and 2 are brief stories about this app, that you can use to make a game character say silly/whatever you want things... Rest aren't in RS. "Look at this cool app we found!" seems to be the crux of their reviews. Then we get down into the weeds over NFT sillyness and other items involving this site. I don't think we have notability. Oaktree b (talk) 20:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There hasn't even been any substantial sourcing since the last AfD in January 2023 that's come up.... "15 alternatives to this site" don't show n notability, reads more as clickbait and important coverage. None of the sources published/used for sourcing since the last AfD show any improvement over the sourcing we found last time 'round. Oaktree b (talk) 20:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But why would that matter? Per WP:NTEMP, "Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." I made a source assessment table that provides coverage beyond the two sources listed in the OP. GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 21:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There are numerous problems with this source assesment table, including a misapplication of the Kotaku source. Again, the VGRS says News posts from Kotaku between 2010 and 2022 are considered reliable, although editors are cautioned of blog/geeky posts that have little news or reporting significance emphasis added. Notably, whenever the Kotaku source comes up everyone who mentions VGRS conveniently cuts off the second half of it. Kotaku's article about 15.ai isn't tagged as News, it's tagged as "Odds and Ends", which is precisely the sort of "blog/geeky posts" that editors are cautioned about as you can see here. [34]. Meanwhile, of the other sources listed the following sources all reference the Kotaku article [35][36][37][38][39]. All of the news sources, including the one Japanese site and Spanish that doesn't explicitly mention Kotaku, are from a range of dates between January 17, 2021 to January 19, 2021, and after the Kotaku article. Despite insistence by multiple editors that 15.ai is of ground breaking importance to the realm of AI Voice Synthesis, there hasn't been a single reliable, independently published source provided to substantiate the claim. Other websites which are being used use as Elevenlabs and Speechify appear to have simply cannibalized the Wikipedia article for 15.ai for their website, with Speechify using wordage verbatim from the old Wikipedia article, and making minor changes. Per WP:REFLOOP Wikipedia cannot use sources which heavily relied upon Wikipedia. You were also told that Andrew Ng's The Batch or other self-published sources do not contribute to GNG. [40], yet you have checkmarked it as doing so. Even as a WP:EXPERTSPS editors are still cautioned if the information in question is suitable for inclusion, someone else will probably have published it in independent, reliable sources. Likewise, NME is considered reliable within its expertise, which is music. [41]. You are ignoring WP:RSCONTEXT and using a consensus that NME was reliable for BLP information about a musician as a sign that it's reliable for an article about Artificial Intelligence. Moreover, the NME Source is about the controversy that was a flashpan incident, it does not represent WP:SUSTAINED coverage. Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability. However, sustained coverage is an indicator of notability emphasis added. There is no demonstrably WP:SIGCOV.

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Regarding that notability isn't temporary, I note here that the previous AfD for this article was interfered with [42][43][44][45] by a bevy of WP:SPA. The article itself was heavily edited by someone who continues, as of last week, to abuse multiple accounts for the sake of editing 15.ai [46][47]. With the revelation of the persistent multiple account abuse, the votes of HackerKnownAs and SirGallanthThe4th in the original AfD brings the number of improper votes to keep up to at least 6 [48]. Discounting the suspicious votes and the votes from the confirmed sock accounts, there is no real clear consensus on the notability of 15.ai, and that factored in my decision to bring the article to AfD again. Brocade River Poems (She/They) 00:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Repeating what was stated last time it was nommed for deletion. Per User:Elmidae, "However, basic notability is not in question - these four mainstream game magazine articles [49][50][51][52] already form a sufficient backbone for that." Kotaku is only quickly mentioned in each one and the coverage is way more than a "flurry of mentions".

Otherwise, the app was one of the biggest happenings in speech synthesis in the early 2020s and took social media by storm as it proved that voice cloning with a small amount of data was possible. Personally speaking, it's so important enough that if former competitors of 15.ai (11labs and Speechify) are still saying the app was one of the biggest things to happen to AI voice cloning years after it went offline, it must be true. Tacotron2 (talk) 01:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC) — Tacotron2 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Malvern House Preparatory School

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Does not pass WP:N. Unsourced or cited to passing mentions, or cited to unreliable / affiliated sources. WP:SIGCOV requires reliable, independent sources that address the subject in direct detail. At best, this could be redirected to an article about the author's life. Jontesta (talk) 19:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drones Club

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Does not pass WP:N. A lot of this is unsourced, or cited to passing mentions, or cited to unreliable / fan / affiliated sources. WP:SIGCOV requires reliable, independent sources that address the subject in direct detail. Jontesta (talk) 19:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep No BEFORE noted. No source analysis of the existing non-primary sources, a couple of which appear notable. Covered in:
Humble, N. (2011). From Holmes to the Drones: Fantasies of Men without Women in the Masculine Middlebrow. In: Macdonald, K. (eds) The Masculine Middlebrow, 1880–1950. Palgrave Macmillan, London. https://doi.org/10.1057/9780230316577_6.

Edwards, O. D. (1976). Stories for a Self‐Made Merchant. New Blackfriars, 57(669), 72–80. doi:10.1111/j.1741-2005.1976.tb02248.x

Cannadine, D. (2019). Boyhood memories. TLS. Times Literary Supplement, (6070), 34. https://link.gale.com/apps/doc/A631896212/AONE?u=anon~39cd8c32&sid=googleScholar&xid=b2e0ce6d

Some of these are paywalled, but the clearly demonstrate that the Drones Club is discussed in studies of Wodehouse on sex and gender roles. Jclemens (talk) 02:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Holland's Lip Sync Battle performance of "Umbrella"

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Per WP:NOPAGE. There is little needed context that is provided by creating a separate article for a single performance of an actor lipsyncing. The performance is worthy of a couple sentences at Tom Holland and Lip Sync Battle. Astaire (talk) 19:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to the song article (or any other locations mention in nom if people feel inclined.) Worth mentioning somewhere due to the coverage, but absolutely should not have been split out to its own article. Sergecross73 msg me 20:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Could be a line or two in his article, or in an article about the TV show, I don't think it needs its own article. This isn't a "Freddy Mercury at BandAide" level of performance. Oaktree b (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Little Gay Pub

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As the article creator, I am not sure that this has the required level of sustained coverage. GnocchiFan (talk) 18:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Feels a bit funny to vote against the author of the article who nominated their own article for AfD, but just quickly pulling up a Google news] search for it finds quite a bit of new coverage not currently in the article, including on history and expansion to Philadelphia, some sources that could be included: [53], [54], [55], [56], [57], [58]. And then there also seems to be a recent hate-crime indicent against it with some vandalism - [59], [60]. Seems enough WP:SIGCOV to pass notability and much of those sources could probably be included into the article, if I find a free moment I might even do it myself as I love article rescue. Raladic (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Dilovan Kovli

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Contested PROD, which was removed by a user with only 15 edits (and who's likely a sock of the author). Reliable sources are clearly lacking, and notability still needs to be established for this subject. CycloneYoris ^talk! 18:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Agree with nominator, does not show notability --VViking_TalkEdits 19:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for the reasons listed in my PROD nomination. The editor is shooting themselves in the foot if they really are socking to remove a PROD tag (they themselves are allowed to do that) and their other contributions reek of WP:UPE. Passenger pigeon (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: PROMO for an aspiring artist. Is not in any permanent collections, has not made a life changing contribution to the arts scene, or any other artistic notability requirements we look at. Oaktree b (talk) 20:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Digital break

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This page is a contested draftification, so taking to AfD for review per WP:DRAFTOBJECT. The article appears to focus on a recent law that was passed in France – my search for "digital break" and "digital pause" on Google News mostly turns up coverage of the French law like the sources already cited. Although there are a number of sources, my instinct is that there isn't enough sustained coverage to warrant a standalone article. I think it would make more sense to redirect to Mobile phone use in schools, where debates about restricting mobile phone use in classrooms are already covered comprehensively. Creating a "digital break" section might make sense if it is a widely used phrase in different countries. I'm open to discussion on what the best course of action would be. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 18:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per WP:NOTNEWS, fails WP:SUSTAINED. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Playmox

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No sources contribute to Playmox passing the general notability guideline, and a search shows no sources other than ones that don't pass the GNG. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 17:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nothing found that wasn't a passing mention or linked to the service itself. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bushrod, Indiana

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This is another "what did the WPA text say?" case, as Baker cites it for a founding date in spite of ample evidence that this is in fact another rail spot. What older topos and aerials show is that this was once the east end of a small yard; I found one person cited as yardmaster there. And all the relevant hits indicate this, with lots of irrelevant surname hits. There's no town here now and now place of it to have been, as the topos show nothing but trackwork and a couple of buildings. Mangoe (talk) 17:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I was able to find a news article from 1959 that refers to it as a "town": [61], but it's more about the man it's named for than the place itself. A 1946 article in the Linton Daily Citizen has a little more information, but just describes it as a rail point and not a town: [62]. Undecided about whether this counts as WP:SIGCOV. As much as I hate geographic permastubs like this one, we have a little bit more (albeit conflicting) information than is typical for these "GNIS gives this name to this point" type articles. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can see from a 1958 aerial that there was no town there; except for the Quonset hut (which might have been a different building at the same spot) there's just a structure withing the wye of the tracks. Mangoe (talk) 00:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Nicholls

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Non-notable producer, lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources, failing WP:GNG. Previous AFD in 2010 ended in Keep but editors there provided no proof of significant coverage either. Sources provided and found in Google are mere mentions of subject, while the series produced are certainly notable. -- Wikipedical (talk) 17:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Allison Bailey

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This seems like a pretty clear case of WP:BLP1E. The entire article is basically about WP:ONEEVENT which itself doesn't have an article as it's questionable if the event itself is itself would pass WP:EVENTCRIT (enduring significance seems questionable). The person doesn't appear otherwise notable on its own. Suggest deletion as the only other part in this article are actually just about LGB Alliance, not the person, so they are mere sidenotes that don't justify the BLP article. Raladic (talk) 16:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to LGB Alliance - the WP:BLP1E argument is, and will remain, persuasive unless it can be demonstrated that Bailey has some other noteworthy accomplishment. Simonm223 (talk) 17:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Rename to "Bailey v Stonewall, Garden Court Chambers and others" and rework it into an article about that case, which is independently notable, and which the court of appeal will hear it again next year I believe.Void if removed (talk) 17:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:BLP1E says :We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met

1. Reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.

2. The person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article.

3. The event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. John Hinckley Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the Reagan assassination attempt, was significant, and his role was both substantial and well documented.

1. There is biographical information in this article which is properly sourced.

2. Bailey has been mentioned in the media other than in connection with the discrimination case.

3. The event is significant, and her role in it was significant. If she wins her current appeal, this will be even more significant.

Alternatively, rename per Void if removed.Sweet6970 (talk) 18:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's WP:CRYSTAL because she has not, as of now, won her appeal - if she wins her appeal then its still a single event - the appeal of her ongoing litigation against Stonewall being part of said ongoing litigation - and, as for her media mentions, are any of them not about her anti-trans activism with LGBA or the lawsuit? Simonm223 (talk) 19:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the extract from WP:BLP1E which I quoted above: for WP:BLP1E to apply, then all 3 conditions have to be met. Since the legal case is significant, and her role in it is also (obviously) significant, this case does not come under WP:BLP1E. Sweet6970 (talk) 19:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The significance of the legal case is highly questionable being honest. Simonm223 (talk) 19:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The case is clearly significant. There have been several successful employment claims since the Forstater and Bailey rulings where Bailey has been cited (eg. Meade vs Westminster City Council), as it goes a little beyond Forstater in providing examples of what is to be considered protected speech. It also establishes and protects slightly wider beliefs than Forstater.

It also, most significantly IMO, wanders into the area of inducement to discriminate under s111 of the EA, which Bailey lost at the EAT, but will now be heard by the court of appeal on the grounds that:

The grounds have a real prospect of success but, in any event, raise issues of some general importance which should be considered by this Court. In particular, an issue arises as to the correct interpretation of section 111 of the Equality Act 2010 which does not seem to be the subject of previous authority. There is therefore a compelling reason to grant permission to appeal.

So this will set significant precedent.

So it has been subject to significant coverage in popular mainstream media, is cited in other cases which have also received significant coverage, and although we cannot use a WP:CRYSTALBALL, when it reaches the court of appeal, whatever the outcome it will also establish precedent in an important area of equality law. Void if removed (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't convinced when I first saw this but, after thinking about it, I think I do agree that something should be done. It doesn't feel like BLP1E, because the 1E has dragged on for far too long, but it probably is 1E nonetheless. Of the two options, I think making an article about the case might have a slight edge over merging it to the LGBA article. It isn't the LGBA's case, at least not directly, and handling it as a case encourages us to cover it like we would other cases, with a focus on the claims, laws and judgements rather than personalities, sideshows and fundraising. It might help to attract other editors who have experience covering legal matters. The case is quite complicated. I wasn't even aware that there was a further appeal. I thought that the last unsuccessful one was the end of it. Most people who have heard about it have heard very one-sided reporting. (I dare say that a fair few people must be confused as to why she was/is appealing a case that she had spent ages telling everybody that she had "won".) It would be good to detail it correctly so that readers can understand what the various parts of the case are, which bit she won and which bits she lost. I don't outright oppose the merge idea but renaming the article and bringing it up to standard as a legal article seems the better option. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The appeal is mentioned on her website [63], but as far as I am aware, it has not yet been mentioned in the media. Sweet6970 (talk) 19:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think turning the article into a rendition of the case is the best compromise, it is the most significant ruling in this area alongside Forstater v CGDE, and although it's not been covered in the media, the grounds on which the court of appeal have agreed to hear it are significant. Void if removed (talk) 20:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Far too much weight is being given to speculation about what might happen in the appeal case here. Simonm223 (talk) 20:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, speculation about a potential future violates WP:CRYSTALBALL, either the event is already right now significant and if the article was renamed to focus on the court case, the case needs to pass WP:EVENTCRIT, in particular Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes.... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance.

So aside from suggestion the article be moved to be about the case, the editors arguing for it, also need to actually provide evidence that it passes the eventcrit. Raladic (talk) 22:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A legal case that has been covered by many of the UK's largest newspapers isn't a routine news event, and no crimes have been alleged here. Astaire (talk) 23:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or alternatively rename to focus on the legal case, per Sweet6970. The case has been widely covered in UK press, with The Guardian calling it a microcosm of the wider debate about transgender rights [64]. Oppose merge or delete. Astaire (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cristo Foufas

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Article deleted in 2010, failed PROD in 2021. Sources exist, as added in that PROD of 2021, but article is not nearly notable enough for inclusion. LR.127 (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Probably have enough for a basic article. This Independent article is the best [65], then some coverage [66] and [67]. Seems to be well-known to the viewing public. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per oaktree b. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Thanks to Oaktree b for digging up those sources, but I don't think there's enough for notability - he came out live on air, posted something controversial on Twitter and once had a bad experience with British Airways. Fails WP:JOURNALIST. Astaire (talk) 19:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beehunter, Indiana

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This is plainly a rail point, formerly a crossover/junction and more recently a rather odd pair of junctions. The only road in the area actually swerves to avoid the spot, and the only building is in the middle of the junction; I would gather it was once the "tower" but it's impossible to tell. I did find some explicit reference to it as a rail station/junction but other references are to the marsh or to a potential archaeological site, or to local mining activity, npne of which are not in this immediate vicinity. Mangoe (talk) 16:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Suprisingly detailed article from 1970 talks about the history of this rail spot: [68], but states clearly that it "was never a city, nor a town, nor was it ever the home of more than one family." I will update the article accordingly. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roy LaGrone

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The article has no actual independent sources, and there is not much beyond routine coverage of this artist. He seems to be more notable for being a Tuskegee airman than an artist. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - not to be confused with the artist Roy E. LaGrone (Q112123883) ~~who needs a page (which I will start after dinner).~~ This Roy LaGrone fails WP:ARTIST. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 23:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keikan Ri

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Redirect to Boxing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Welterweight - no significant coverage in any sources apart from listings type sites, and the corresponding jawiki is similarly unsourced. Subject finished 17th in class in the 1936 Olympics. I therefore submit that the article does not meet WP:NSPORT in its own right, but a redirect to the competition page is appropriate. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Akash Nair

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Unsourced biography of a child actor, created in 2015 as a redirect to the sitcom Best of Luck Nikki, but which has had several unsourced article creation attempts made since then, which have been WP:BLAR'd each time. Nair had a named minor role in that series, and in the film Bhoot and Friends, so I would have expected to find more coverage of him in RS, but in English and Hindi (आकाश नायर) I can find only passing mentions. The rest is the usual social media, Fandom, etc. I propose to restore the redirect. Wikishovel (talk) 15:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Best of Luck Nikki: I am unable to find any reliable sources that provide significant coverage or even minimal details about the subject. The subject fails to meet WP:GNG, and since it is not listed in the cast of any notable film, it also fails to meet WP:NACTOR. I suggest redirecting this article as it was before and protecting it indefinitely to only allow edits from autoconfirmed or extended-confirmed users. GrabUp - Talk 15:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: as suggested seems fine, I don't see much outside of the show about this performer. Oaktree b (talk) 21:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mitchell Gornto

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NGYMNAST. Subject's page has false accomplishments listed throughout (actual 2012 US National Championship results here and 2013 here). Subject has never been named to a US Senior or Junior national team and was not a member of the 2014 Pacific Rim team (results here). Aside from being a gymnast at Michigan, which is not inherently notable, the entire profile is fake. GauchoDude (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The name seems to come up in relation to a tennis player in Florida... Unlikely to still be in university a decade later. Unremarkable college athlete, I don't see notability and there is no sourcing to back up the article either. Oaktree b (talk) 16:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Vincenzo Patrick Guglielmelli

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Delete - I could find no significant coverage whatsoever in any source, reliable or otherwise. Plenty of listings and stats sites, all of which are fairly scanty. Career highlight seems to have been one season at Ascoli when they were a Serie A club, during which the subject did not appear to have played any matches. I therefore submit that WP:NSPORT is not met, and note that the article has been practically unsourced since its inception. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Player with participation only in the Italian Serie C2, and without sources that establish WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Search engine results pull up listings without significant coverage and (weirdly enough) a pronunciation video. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quick and the dead

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The article consists of a dictionary definition, an etymology, and some mentions of its usage, pretty much all of which is original research. If there's any indication that this even counts as a standard phrase, it would do better as a Wiktionary entry. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 14:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Original research --Altenmann >talk 16:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as TNT of original research, but this is a potentially notable subject. The phrase gets a lot of coverage in research about the Book of Common Prayer and its language (eg [69]). I'm planning out an article called "Language in the Book of Common Prayer" (it will be largely framed by an OUP book of the same name by Stella Brook and OUP's Shakespeare's Common Prayers by Daniel Swift). This might be a good redirect to that article when the time comes. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, of all the idioms currently up for AfD, this one has a long history in English language culture. It's even got itself into philosophy of literature[70], as well as of course featuring in discussions such as [71] (a blog, but a blog by acknowledged experts, Patricia T. O'Conner and Stewart Kellerman). It goes way beyond dictionary-matter, and is socially significant enough to land firmly in an encyclopedia. If we're not careful, we'll have to bud out a sub-article list or disambig on usage of the phrase for books, academic articles, films, poems and music. Elemimele (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Elemimele, a simple reading of the article, and a WP:BEFORE search. Bearian (talk) 06:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the reliable sources identified in this discussion such as academic journals, and books imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - as with this nominator's other items recently at AfD, this is a topic that is certainly notable and not remotely a WP:DICDEF or WP:OR, as shown by sources out there in the world, which is the criterion. While the article looks poorly cited, it actually cites the King James Bible, Shakespeare, and the Prayer Book, somewhere between implicitly and explicitly (mainly without blue-numbered refs): but again, that isn't the AfD criterion. I'll have a go at tidying the article and citing it a bit better, as it deserves. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added an image, a section on the idiom's use in fiction, and a lot of citations. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This archaic idiom is definitely encyclopedic and it's also notable. As for the referencing, Wikipedia allows the use of biblical sources so I don't see a problem there.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Would have voted delete per WP:TNT, but Chiswick Chap has massively improved the article. Waddles 🗩 🖉 18:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ArkTS

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCT. Rainsday (talk) 10:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I found sourcing to show that the subject meets WP: GNG. The subject receives in-depth coverage in two papers, published by separate groups of authors at Chinese universities. These papers appeared in ASE 2024, meaning that they are peer-reviewed and thus credible. Here are the papers: [1] [2] I do think this article has several issues, but they can be fixed without deleting the article, so I am inclined to keep it. HyperAccelerated (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I accidentally linked to the same paper twice. Here is the link to the other paper. Sorry about that. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep ~~I couldn't find two independent sources satisfying GNG.~~ (updated) there's a few sources likely passing GNG, but it's weak. User:HyperAccelerated - ~~is that~~ are those sources independent? There's not wide coverage yet, may be WP:TOOSOON. Nothing against draftifying. Widefox; talk 22:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC) Widefox; talk 21:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes -- do you have reason to believe they aren't? One paper is from a team of researchers at Southern University of Science and Technology and another from a team at Beihang University. There isn't anything in the Acknowledgement sections to indicate they got funding from Huawei (who developed ArkTS), and if there was substantial collaboration with Huawei I'd expect someone from Huawei to be on the author list. I suspect there's more coverage in Chinese, but I think that these papers are sufficient to establish notability anyway. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, corrected and updated my summary. Widefox; talk 21:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Two books, ^[1] is an introduction to the syntax of ArkTS, and ^[2] covers ArkTS on HarmonyOS 3.1. 内存溢出的猫 (talk) 11:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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^ 刘玥; 张荣超 (2024-07-01). 鸿蒙原生应用开发：ArkTS语言快速上手 [Developing Native Applications on HarmonyOS: A Quick Start with ArkTS Language]. 人民邮电出版社. ISBN 9787115642509.
^ Way Lau. 鸿蒙HarmonyOS应用开发入门 [Getting Started with HarmonyOS Application Development]. Tsinghua University Press. ISBN 9787115642509.

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2024 Kishtwar encounter

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2024 Bandipora attack

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As described here at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Akhnoor attack TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 13:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete my rationale is same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NJPW female wrestlers born outside Japan. Also, delete the other similar lists created by the same user: List of NJPW male wrestlers born outside Japan, List of WWE male wrestlers born outside the United States, List of WWE female wrestlers born outside the United States, and List of world champions in WWE born outside the United States. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Association of Local Government Archaeological Officers

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I haven't been able to find any significant coverage of this organisation in reliable third-party sources. – Joe (talk) 11:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Good grief: "ALGAO is the national body representing local government archaeological services on behalf of County, District, Unitary and National Park authorities. ALGAO co-ordinates the views of member authorities (110 in total) and presents them to government and to other national organisations. It also acts as an advisor to the Local Government Association on archaeological matters." Massively influential national body representing archaeology at every level of government in the UK. That's not notable? Do me a lemon! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That may well be so, but has it translated to any usable sources? I came across this article because it's been unreferenced for thirteen years—one of the few remaining unreferenced archaeology articles left, by the way—and after some time searching I couldn't rectify that. I'm happy to be corrected but without sources we can't write an article, no matter how influential the subject. – Joe (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete it may be a "massively influential national body" but where's the coverage? Google news comes up with 4 hits, 1st and 3rd being not indepth and 4th is a letter to a newspaper. There are plenty of google books hits but most seem 1 line mentions when I looked at the first few pages of results. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 05:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I added sourcing to the article, one of the strongest cases of 'presumed notability' I've seen in a long while. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. However, you added nine references, and: [72] has just a single sentence stating what ALGAO is; [73], [74], [75], [76] are reports and publications of ALGAO itself; [77] is a press release about a report ALGAO produced; [78] and [79] offer passing mentions in the context of a manufactured "war on woke" story; and [80] doesn't mention the subject. So we still have no significant coverage in independent sources. Notability does appear to have been presumed for the last decade, but that presumption has so far proved wrong. – Joe (talk) 08:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Akhnoor attack

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Kashmir is often described as a warzone, with routine news events frequently occurring (#4). Events lacking historical significance (#1) and substantial national and international reactions (#2) are generally presumed non-notable under WP:EVENT. Also, article lacks WP:CASESTUDY. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 13:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Botapathri ambush

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2024 Baramulla attack

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2024 Ganderbal attack

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2024 Srinagar grenade attack

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I'd typically recommend adding this to the respective List of terrorist incidents in [country] article and redirecting, but it's... Kashmir, so unsure of how well that would work. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greenwich Leisure Limited

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It's not clear to me why this page exists or how or why it could ever be bought up to WP's standards.

**Source assessment table:**
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.better.org.uk/our-values	It's the organisation's mission statement	It's the company's own marketing material	Lacks the objective overview required to meet the definition of significant	✘ No
https://www.better.org.uk/our-values	It's the company's website again	It's too close to the subject	Just a list. No prose.	✘ No
https://switchtheplay.com/news/switch-the-play-and-gll-national-news-release/	It says it's a press release	Press releases are put out by the organisation and are not subject to editorial oversight.	Lacks the critical insights and objectivity required for significant coverage.	✘ No
https://www.sportspro.com/insights/analysis/london-2012-olympics-venues-today-london-stadium-velodrome-aquatics-centre/	Appears to be published by a partner organisation	No discusson of the source's reliablity on RS	Article is about former Olympic venues, not Greenwich Leisure Limited	✘ No
http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/news/1097435/	Press release aggregation site.	Little to no editorial oversight.	Appears to discus the company's rebrand but not the actual company or its history.	✘ No
https://www.andrewbibby.com/socialenterprise/greenwich-leisure.html	Bibbly is a journalist for hire	Published to journalist website without editorial oversight.	~ Some depth of coverage but it's akin to a press release and clearly primary	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

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Antioch, Greene County, Indiana

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Very little to go by on this one, but the presence in GMaps of a now-defunct Antioch Church a short ways to the west suggest that this is a locale named after it (Antioch being a common part of church names. No sign anywhere of a town, however. Mangoe (talk) 13:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kimberellomorpha

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Solza may just be a taphonomic variation of Kimberella, all others are from McMenamin and therefore are likely unfounded. Therefore, it’s a monotypic taxon. IC1101-Capinatator (talk) 12:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Kimberella, seems the grouping itself is accepted by some of researchers as looking on Google Scholar, but it is mostly monotypic. As I see it is not known when this grouping was established, probably need information for that. In the talk page article creator commented that they used ChatGPT to write the article, and current status is terrible. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 13:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be in full support of a merge. It seems to be an invention purely supported by McMenamin. The Morrison Man (talk) 14:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No matter what it is not an McMenamin taxon,look it up although McMenamin does mention the order rarely , but McMenamin did not describe this order. 2010.1126/science.1206375 DOI 10.1126/science.1206375 Zhenghecaris (talk) 20:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why can't you even properly link to the paper?[81] You are definitely new to editing and should learn more about how to edit Wikipedia. Anyway, seeing from Scholar, this paper appears to be the earliest mention of "Kimberellomorpha", but there is no discussion of what kind of taxonomic group it is, so this seems to be just a loose grouping like "roachoid" without clear scientific classification. So simply mentioning Kimberella article will suffice for this. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 22:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, no reason for Wikipedia to support this dubious bit of taxonomy. As for ChatGPT's editing and writing abilities, don't throw away your fountain pens any time soon, editors. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn’t use ChatGPT. Zhenghecaris (talk) 20:43, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The unneeded "1." shown in synonyms in that article makes it the doubt that is copied from something outputted by ChatGPT. In any case, this article has a number of problems, including unnecessary spaces, spaces that aren't where they should be, and incorrect use of bold and italics. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 22:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

comment The idea of including this taxon was already rejected in Kimberella by Donald Albury and IC1101-Capinatator, who called it a "dubious taxon". And an earlier conclusion was that work by MAS McMenamin had to be verified by secondary references, before inclusion in Wikipedia. However this term Kimberallmorph/s/a seems to have been used by others, but not as a properly defined taxon. I would suggest that we just have the term as a redirect. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:30, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christophe Naudin

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WP:1E, WP:GNG, reads like a CV or like it's been edited by someone closely associated with the subject (theses men? no mention of prison sentence which is arguably the most important thing about him?). Toffeenix (talk) 12:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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History of rugby union matches between Italy and Georgia

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Not a notable rivalry or pairing Fram (talk) 12:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTSTATS, which is what this article is at the moment. Even so, a rivalry article doesn't appear to have any significant coverage, but I haven't looked too deep into it yet. Conyo14 (talk) 22:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of basic settlement units in Brno

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This recently created list fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. It is an extremely detailed breakdown for specific purposes in a professional sphere, which goes beyond the scope of an encyclopedia. Other European metropolises do not have a list with such a breakdown (so Brno is very random in this context). Similar lists are not found on cswiki either. FromCzech (talk) 12:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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To be honest that's quite fair. I simply wanted to make a ranking of the basic settlement units by density and population since that's what I'm usually interested in, but if others agree for the deletion I am for it too. GreenWolfyVillager (talk) 13:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

comment I have to say this is largely incomprehensible without a map. Mangoe (talk) 13:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is already the article Administrative divisions of Brno would it simply be way better to move the article there? GreenWolfyVillager (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kamil Białas

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think the topic meets the general notability guideline (WP:GNG).
I did a quick search and found this and this. (Two articles by Dziennik Polski, titled "Kamil Białas znów stanął na podium" and "Łyżwiarze nie mogą się rozwijać bez startów".) There's also a YouTube interview, here.
The Polish website says "Sorry, you have been blocked", so I don't think I should bother to read and search further. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Social media platforms are user-generated and should never be provided as references to articles. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dziennik Polski is a newspaper.
Or are talking about YouTube? If it is an official account of a respected media brand or journalist, then it can be used. (As any other documentary or reportage.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking about YouTube. Even if the source comes from an official account of a media brand, social media can't be used anywhere as they are user-generated sites, thus generally unreliable per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and WP:SELFPUB. Social media as references also don't demonstrate the article's notability. Otherwise, I thought we only used reliable secondary sources... ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you actually read the pages you are linking?
· WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK is completely unrelated to this discussion.
· WP:SELFPUB actually says the opposite of what you are saying: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information [about themselves]". --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Btw I don't understand why are are attacking me. :-) When I posted my first comment on this page, I didn't see the previous discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas) where you voted "weak keep" and showed exactly the same sources I found. You should better say something to the nominator. Who nominated this article twice with exactly the same rationale. I don't know about the English Wikipedia, but on some other Wikipedias (in some other languages, like Russian, for example) it is explicitly forbidden to nominate an article again for the same reason. (It is done as a measure against those who are obsessed and would otherwise nominate the same article again and again even after they have been told it can stay. They do it in hope that their opponents will get bored or will simply not notice a new nomination.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This page seems to be entirely irrelevant and has minimal sources to back up details about its existence. Last edits adding actual content was in the mid 2010s, proving its irrelevancy. This is my first actual AfD, so pardon me if I am mistaken, but fixing the article up seems unfruitful. --~eticangaaa (talk) 12:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sanjay Kumar Verma

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This article is clearly not ready for mainspace but a new user has now move-warred to keep it in mainspace from draft.

Sourcing in the article is inadequate for a BLP and are mostly primary sources. Better to continue to incubate in draft, if not delete outright per the last AfD's consensus. ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" _(hihi) 11:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The last version of the article by the creator stated he was born in Kerala before another user changed it to Bihar without adding a source on the matter.[82] ―"Ghost of Dan Gurney" _(hihi) 11:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there!I was the new user that "move-warred" to keep this article in mainspace. This article is based on the article for Escott Reid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escott_Reid, however it contains more sources.

All sources are vetted and from the Indian government (2 articles), neutral sources (1 article) or press (2 articles).

Beyond the article,

I moved the page to article, ghostofdangurrey moved it to draft, I removed an uncited sentence and moved it to article (which I assumed was the best way to work based on the details from the help articles). While I understand if there is room for improvement, gatekeeping editing and using words like move-warred (when I apologized for moving it following a comment), is an interesting way to moderate. Researchmoreorless (talk) 12:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As the only thing to change since the last AfD is something that would fall under WP:BLP1E. Simonm223 (talk) 13:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wilson's Cave

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Links in ref's are broken, and all the info is sourced from the one referenced book. That book list many, many caves, and inclusion does not make this one notable. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep See [83] Page 18 and [84] page 276: "a site of major archaeological significance". The cave contained mammoth bones, implements, Neolithic ware and bronze rings from 600 BC. Or possibly redirect to Gorham's Cave. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second is a clear passing mention, first has some merit. The mere presence of bones doesn't make something notable, and this is passing converage.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 17:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is some confusion with Gorham's Cave. If they are the same, redirect. Otherwise, first ref and existing refs is enough to keep. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of cinemas in Estonia

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Poorly sourced and fails WP:NLIST. The Estonian language version of this article has more entries but also poorly sourced. LibStar (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Only three entries and one notable entry is not a list. Ajf773 (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ajf773@LibStar: has good potential to grow per e.g. etwiki list. Some references and info are also added Estopedist1 (talk) 12:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. 46 blue links (ie 46 potential entries...) on the Estonian page, that is an indication that should be noted and that is at least promising. And there is also a list dedicated to those of Tallinn only (in Estonian). Mushy Yank (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Fails WP:NOTDIR and is only manageable because of the country's relatively small size. Mangoe (talk) 13:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree with LibStar and Mangoe, fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIR. If it had more links and sources, then it might be passable, but it is not acceptable under it's current condition.

Aknip (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Poorly sourced, yes: cleanup issue. Fails NLIST? no, meets NLIST as the topic as a set has received coverage. (Thomson, C. (2007). Estonia - Culture Smart! The Essential Guide to Customs & Culture. Kuperard. for example or Noble, J., Williams, N., Gauldie, R. (1997). Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania(Keeling): Lonely Planet, p. 147, for a start) At least a redirect and merge to Cinema of Estonia seems warranted to preserve history. The topic would seem to be perfectly encyclopaedic, though.... Mushy Yank (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and how precisely and exactly is that list supposed to fall under NOTDIR? Mushy Yank (talk) 19:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears that the list topic has been discussed as a set in RS. That is all we need to prove WP:NLIST. Further, I don't think this list falls under any of the six criteria of WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and those saying it does haven't actually discussed or connected the list to any one of the six standards for making that judgement. It's not a convincing argument as the list has a clearly defined scope that is relevant to the Cinema of Estonia. It's not a simple listing because of the RS coverage, and given that Estonian language films get played pretty much only in theaters in Estonia and the small geographic area its reasonable to list theaters in a single page for topical reasons. It's therefore not a "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics" or a "Non-encyclopedic cross-categorization", or a "A resource for conducting business", or a "Genealogical entry", or an "Electronic program guides".4meter4 (talk) 18:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Too small for a whole article. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to Cinema of Estonia until it is expanded. The references added to the article show it passes WP:NLIST in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NLIST. Could use with some expansion though. ExRat (talk) 12:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Cinema of Estonia: The sources provided to "pass WP:NLIST" in my eyes are far from that, and are in fact WP:ROUTINE. Noble, J., Williams, N., Gauldie, R. (1997). Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania (Keeling): Lonely Planet, p. 147 is a paragraph giving phone numbers, email addresses and addresses of some cinemas, with no meaningful analysis or commentary on the set (7 words!) or even claim of exhaustivity. I don't have access to the other source identified, but the same author three years prior wrote a guide book for Tallinn (note the later book was for Estonia as a whole) Thomson, C. (2004). Tallinn (Footprint), p.177 which is similarly not discussing cinemas in Estonia as a set (or in Tallinn). There is a very brief recap of cinema in Estonia, then a paragraph explicitly claiming to only list the main 3 locations and one arthouse cinema, with a fair share of the paragraph being used for the cinemas' names, address, phone number and location on the map provided with the book. If the content in her later book is significantly different, I feel the onus is on the people claiming it meets NLIST to explain how so at this point.
Other "List of X in (Country)" articles have been kept when they are useful to help with navigating pages which pass GNG on their own (e.g., List of golf courses in Canada) but generally only when they need to be separated from the main topic due to length. Cinema of Estonia is not at that point, and having a short list at some point in the article of notable cinemas would be relevant (I see that the article is already illustrated by a photo of an Estonian cinema!). Shazback (talk) 01:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battles for Gornje Kolibe

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This skirmish was a very small part of Operation Corridor 92, for which we already have a Good Article which doesn't even mention this event due to its very minor nature. The village of Gornje Kolibe is mentioned once in the second volume of the comprehensive CIA history of the 90s wars in the Balkans, "Balkan Battlegrounds", but only briefly in the context of Operation Corridor 92, and none of the detail of this fighting is even mentioned. Non-notable firefight, appears to have been created effectively as a memorial page to those who fought there. Events from 30 years ago in this war have been examined in considerable detail in academic standard publications, so I have deleted the various local/town/regional news portals, many of which are dubious and/or biased and have no real editorial process (and therefore not reliable), and what is left (cited) is pretty much nothing. One of numerous highly marginally notable articles recently created by a series of now blocked socks. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should say that the other (none news portal) sources I removed were writings of former VRS officers, including at least two whom were directly involved in Operation Corridor 92, so hardly independent of the subject. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. @Peacemaker67 would a possible WP:ATD be a selective merge to the the village of Gornje Kolibe? We have practically no content on the village and this would seem to be a pertinent event to the history of that village? Obviously any unverified content shouldn't be moved over.4meter4 (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Gornje Kolibe per 4meter4. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexandermcnabb The town doesn't currently mention the event. We can only redirect to articles where the topic is addressed; hence the need to make this a "selective merge". Best.4meter4 (talk) 12:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
very limited material to selectively merge, but yes. I would also add a sentence to the Operation Corridor 92 article. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 12:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Gornje Kolibe or Operation Corridor 92 if possible. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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to me, given this is about the fighting, the most obvious merge target is Operation Corridor 92 rather than the village article (although a mention of the fighting in the village article would be appropriate. Only a very small amount of the content is eligible to be merged, as it wouldn't be appropriate to merge uncited content to a Good Article, and the reliable sources barely mention this fighting in passing. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Gursimran Kaur

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A sad story, but has no evidence of WP:SUSTAINED notability (one local follow-up story after the initial wider range of news reports). Fails WP:NOTNEWS. Fram (talk) 08:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. It's sad but there are several isolated industrial incidents such as this. She was not notable before her death and her death has not received sustained coverage or forced significant reform to be eligible for an entry. Mekomo (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: a notable article and well-cited and I agree with @Zachary Klaas This is a national and international story about work conditions leading to a burning death in an oven. QalasQalas (talk) 19:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It's disturbing this is even being debated. Nation-wide story in Canada. Reported on by CNN. That's enough for notability. It's also hard for "significant reform" to be forced if Wikipedia erases its entry on said nation-wide and international story. Zachary Klaas (talk) 23:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Times Of India is following this as well. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/nri/us-canada-news/no-foul-play-in-death-of-gursimran-kaur-walmart-employee-found-in-oven-canadian-police/articleshow/115433459.cms - why do you suppose this story about an Indo-Canadian might have been of interest to people in India? Saying the story is not notable suggests certain groups of people are not notable for their interest in the story. (Trying to say that with as much assumption of good will as possible.)

People also picked up the story. https://people.com/walmart-employees-family-traumatized-after-body-mysteriously-found-in-walk-in-oven-8737147 Being in that magazine is usually considered a slam dunk for what's considered "notable". Why not in this case?

There's also an indication that South Asian immigrants in Canada continue to follow the story - a news story from two days ago says the family is retaining legal representation and that the Maritime Sikh Society is "deeply upset" by the recent police findings. https://desibuzzcanada.com/post/police-say-no-foul-play-suspected-in-indo-canadian-woman-who-died-in-walmart-oven

Comment I have removed three sources from the article. Two were unreliable or deprecated per WP:RSP. One was about a completely unrelated subject. I have not yet analyzed notability more generally. Toadspike [Talk] 09:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Yes the event got coverage in Canada, it's basically an industrial accident. Other than passing away, there isn't much more to be said about the individual. The event isn't terribly notable either; workplace deaths are rare but not unheard of... Could be re-created if it's found to cause changes in labour/safety laws. I hate to use the ROUTINE, but this was just a non-notable person that passed away in a workplace incident. Oaktree b (talk) 16:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To put this in perspective, there were 220 deaths in the workplace, in Ontario, in 2022. [85]. Industrial accidents happen and most are not notable. This event happened in another province, but it's one in a list of many. Oaktree b (talk) 16:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:EVENTCRIT: Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, stories lacking lasting value such as "water cooler stories," and viral phenomena) – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance. An article would be justified if e.g. the tragedy led to workplace safety reforms, if it had broader effects for the Indian community in Canada, etc. - but not currently. Astaire (talk) 20:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

School of Petroleum Technology

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University department and/or constitute college of Pandit Deendayal Energy University. Has been renamed to School of Energy Technology in line with the university's renaming since 2021. Not notable enough online nor offline for a separate article. CptViraj (talk) 09:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gupi

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~~Doesn't pass WP:GNG. Most sources also only link to the artist's own website or Apple Music~~ EDIT: PLEASE DELETE. JUST SAW I ALREADY NOMINATED THIS ONCE. --FMSky (talk) 18:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The above request was about an accidental repeat in the transclusion process, which has been fixed. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Many sources exist about this artist, such as here, here, here, here and here. The article itself cites many of these sources. Passes WP:MUSICBIO at least to me. Beachweak (talk) 10:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Keep - I voted "Weak Delete" in the last AfD about 18 months ago due to Gupi having some introductory media coverage though much of it was in the form of listcicles (e.g. one out of many new Pride musicians) or brief mentions in articles about someone else. Since then the situation for Gupi has improved a bit with some album reviews and feature stories on the Food House project, as found by the above voter. I still think some more truly dedicated coverage would help but there may be enough for a stub article. The current version is too dependent on unreliable sources but those can be removed through the editing process. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chef RPG

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Referenced only two primary sources from YouTube and a web store. Before search did not present anything that makes this game notable for an entry here Mekomo (talk) 08:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete It got a substantive mention in Rock Paper Shotgun. While it got mentions in Softonic, and a preview in RPGFan, these mostly have a purely descriptive feel to them without much opinions. I think it falls short of the bar for actual critical analysis. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Up Above Records

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nn music records label --Altenmann >talk 15:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Altruist

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Does not appear to meet WP:NFILM. No wide release; page for Mick McCleery was successfully AfD'd in January 2019. Previously PROD'd by Another Believer but was dePROD'd on grounds of WP:NEXIST. Having done a search, I don't believe they do. Kazamzam (talk) 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I found some local coverage, which is nice but not really the strongest possible source since local papers are more likely to cover local people. There's mention of it screening at a film festival in 2011 and winning an award, but it's not really a major film festival from what I can see so that's not really usable either. Finally, it looks like there are two critic reviews at Rotten Tomatoes, but I'm not sure how usable either really are. One of them doesn't seem to be running anymore, as when I click on the link on RT it takes me to a spam site. It's overall pretty weak sauce at best. This very technically meets notability guidelines by way of the film festivals and smattering of coverage, but in my opinion it also fails it pretty solidly at the same time. I would say that it would be good to identify what film festivals would qualify under NFILM, but that would be kind of hard to pin down. For example, one could argue that we only use notable film festivals - however that would exclude those screenings and mini-festivals held by very notable and major institutions. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Upper All's Well Cave

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Clearly nonotable. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The content and image are worth keeping if minimal; I think these should be merged to some larger article in my opinion. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What should be the merge target?

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Diana Plotkin

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Refs are either blank or passing mentions.No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn list for 10+ years. scope_creep^Talk 07:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The activist falls bellow GNG and WP:SIGCOV as she received single mentions in almost all sources reviewed, though a few behind paywall which could be assessed. The number of trivial mentions also fall short of WP:NBASIC. Mekomo (talk) 13:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Trivial mentions only, lacking in-depth and significant coverage. AusLondonder (talk) 14:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Beverly Wilshire Homes Association, as I suggested when I deprodded this one, as it seems her notability lies with this group. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a also a WP:BLP, and there is no sufficient secondary coverge to pass WP:SIGCOV which was the primary reason it was on the cat:nn list. All these references are passing mentions and not really about her. Any BLP needs high quality WP:SECONDARY source to establish notability, not passing mentions. It states it in the open line of the policy "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". Even for a small merge, there must be something. scope_creep^Talk 07:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing significant to merge, anyway. AusLondonder (talk) 12:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She has already mentioned quite heavily already in that article. Plotkin seems to have been the president since the 1980's, so the name isn't going to be lost. Possibly a redirect and merge the last sentence since the rest seem to be mentioned already? I notice that sentence is detailed already in the destination article. In fact, the whole article is there. scope_creep^Talk 13:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any policy reason why we can't have a redirect for Plotkin to Beverly Wilshire Homes Association and use any distinct sources provided for Plotkin to improve the Beverly Wilshire Homes Association article. Basically that is what I meant by merge. Perhaps I should have said "slim merge" to indicate this more clearly. I think the only thing we are disagreeing on is whether to retain the redirect, and I see no policy reason not to. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Beverly Wilshire Homes Association. As noted above, the subject - while lacking independent notability per WP:GNG - is already prominently referenced in that article. Sal2100 (talk) 23:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lucas Hunt

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Unable to locate any books reviews. Fails WP:NAUTHOR. Unable to find an reliable coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn list for 10+ years and never been updated scope_creep^Talk 07:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: One article here, but it keeps timing out [86], still not enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I deprodded this, but on further investigation it looks like it has been written by a combination of SPA/IP/the subject. There's a profile in NYT (Cohen, Joyce. Away From the Hammer and Quiet Enough for Poetry: He had been thinking Brooklyn, but he found what he wanted in Queens. New York Times. 8/13/2017, Vol. 166 Issue 57688, p4), which looks to be in the property section and doesn't address his poetry more than in passing; also a Proquest copy of the article Oaktree b mentions above (Hamlet, Isaac. Iowa poet goes from pigs to pearls. Press - Citizen Iowa City, Iowa. 10 Aug 2019: A.2.); I also found one sort-of-review piece quoting him with brief bio material (Working Out What to Do in the Hamptons This Summer? Tauer, Kristen, Nordstrom, Leigh, Wally, Maxine, Women's Wear Daily (May 24, 2019): 17). Not found much else on Ebsco/Proquest that isn't just him as an agent/editor. Poetry collections are notoriously sparsely reviewed and awards are often more important in this area, but I'm not familiar with the US minor poetry awards. With three different bits of press, plus the review in the article, and the award, I'd generally be leaning keep, but in view of the promotional history here, I'm undecided, willing to be persuaded either way. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I normally try and keep poets and poetry articles if I can as I believe they exhibit the height of human creativity and expression, living a life in a garret and suffering to express, that all denote notability even if only spoken off. Choosing that life is an aspect as well, which is important. However it is a BLP and there must be something there. The award has been given to few very famous individuals but didn't see him listed either on Wikipedia article or the actual site and couldn't find any other Steinback award for poetry. There is a fiction award, and a fellowship award but couldn't identify him. That was reason I sent up to Afd and didn't think he was notable and still don't. scope_creep^Talk 11:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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St. Luke's Boys' High School

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the article has no live references and has been lacking citations since 2016.

I could only find some facebook groups and UK charity webpage about the school. 1keyhole (talk) 06:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. If you could only find Facebook groups and a charity webpage, then you didn't click the {{find sources AFD}} links at the top of this AFD page. Also, the school changed names a few years ago, so you have to search again under the old name, e.g., this link to Google News, which will give you news articles saying things like MP Didmus Wekesa Barasa is an alumnus[87] and another saying who the school's (current? recent?) principal is.[88]. A building burned down.[89] It is officially designated as an extra county school (formerly, 'provincial'), which is an important thing in Kenya but not something that I'd expect an American to know about.[90] There are more, but I think this suffices to show that there nom's WP:BEFORE search was inadequate. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (weakly) - The page needs cleanup of course, but that is outside the remit of AfD. The sourcing I have found is mostly news sources and writing articles from primary news reporting is problematic, and, indeed, such sources do not meet GNG, so there is an element of IAR about this !vote. However it is clear that it is a well established and somewhat prestigious school that generates sustained interest. There is enough information to significantly improve what we have, and to verify much detail. What is lacking is a good history of the school, but there is a systematic bias in Wikipedia towards schools in locales such as the US, where sourcing is more readily available online. Proceeding with caution from the news reporting is possible here. Note that in addition to the other names, multiple sources call the school St. Luke's Kimilili Boy's High School. E.g [91] and [92], although their YouTube channel favours St Luke's Boy's High School-Kimilili [93]. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: On November 27, InternetArchiveBot (talk · contribs) rescued 3 sources in this article. If references in an article are broken, it is always a good idea to run InternetArchiveBot to try to rescue the broken links. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC) Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Music Group

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Fails NCORP. WP:BEFORE turns up nothing more substantial than the references already used, most of which are a) listings or b) no longer accessible. (The exception is XXL, which is a Q&A with Nyzzy Nyce, who founded Hurricane Music Group. The Nyzzy Nyce article was (soft) deleted in 2022.) JSFarman (talk) 04:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I was completely sideswiped by source1 - the Indiana Secretary of State? Why? What? How? I still don't get the connection. The usual discogs/social stuff out there, nothing to demonstrate notability. Fails WP:GNG even before we get to NCORP. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Duck Down Music Inc. per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 01:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I love WP:ATD in theory but I can't find any evidence of their affiliation beyond a few songs credoted to Hurricane Music Group/Duck Down. I couldn't find Hurricane Music Group on the Duck Down website, and Discogs (which I know is not a great source) only lists two releases and both are by the same artist. There is no entry on Allmusic. JSFarman (talk) 19:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valid - this artist was under a distro deal with duck down / 3d and made national headlines for blogs and has millions of view due to the joint venture for indiana that’s a staple !! do not remove this !! Guiltytalent (talk) 02:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC) Adding comment from Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Hurricane Music Group. (JSFarman (talk) 03:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]

Two contributions to Wikipedia, the first reverted and the second being the above. Hmm. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sumarr and Vetr

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Article cites five sources. Four of them are just different translations of the Edda (the primary source work that the two beings come from), which the article SYNTHs together into a loose historiography. The fifth is a dictionary that the article uses to translate the article title to "Summer and Winter". I can't access foreign-language sources, but I don't see anything that could reasonably count as SIGCOV in a secondary independent source, so... seems like a GNG fail to me as written. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No and learn the basics before even nominating something like this. This is just obnoxious. First of all, this article discusses two items, the Prose Edda and the Poetic Edda, which are themselves compilations of earlier traditional works. They are not at all the same sources. The dictionary, Orchard's, is a handbook, not a list of words and definitions. There's nothing even approaching WP:SYNTH on this article. Second, as with just about anything in the eddic corpus, there's a mountain of secondary and tertiary discussion about these figures. There's a lot to do on Wikipedia and attempting to delete well-sourced and well-written articles on topics you clearly don't understand the first thing about isn't one of them. Yeesh. :bloodofox: (talk) 09:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging regulars in this area to comment, @Yngvadottir:, @Berig:, @Alarichall:, @Haukurth:, @Ingwina:, @Obenritter:. Feel free to ping others. :bloodofox: (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so what you're saying is that the article is various recaps of the Poetic Edda and Prose Edda, cited to various translations of the Poetic Edda and Prose Edda. There's only one sentence that isn't just story summary, at the bottom of the Poetic Edda section. Doesn't sound like "a mountain of secondary or tertiary discussion" to me. Are there any secondary sources that meaningfully discuss Sumarr and Vetr at length? If there are, I would love for the article to be expanded with useful content. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you'd be wise to become familiar with even the basic of fundamentals with a topic before injecting yourself into a discussion regarding it. These aren't "story summaries", which you'd know if you read the article you're trying to delete. We have a section discussing the historic record and then its scholastic reception, which is typical for accurate presentation of the Old Norse myth record, like in the handbooks of Simek, Orchard, and Lindow. This drive to delete well-sourced material useful for readers over actually working to improve Wikipedia is absurd. :bloodofox: (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit at a loss for words. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can provide plenty for you. Here are a few: Spend less time on pages like this and more time actually reading about these subjects before wasting your time and the time of others, or maybe even spend that time attempting to improve the project in some way. What you're up to here is essentially Wikipedia:Disruptive editing. :bloodofox: (talk) 04:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete This is pure primary source analysis. Mangoe (talk) 13:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The link above is WP:OR and this article does not contain a single sentence of WP:OR. :bloodofox: (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Seasons in the Literatures of the Medieval North, p. 39-42 seems to have quite a bit to say on those. Forecast - A Diary of the Lost Seasons, p. 79, is much shorter but seems non-trivial with its observation that Old Norse only recognized two seasons, sumarr and vetr, associated with life and death. Die Symbolik der Himmelsrichtungen, Jahreszeiten und Jahresfeste, p. 136, 155, has pretty similar content than both and falls inbetween lengthwise. With the limited preview there I don't quite get where the extended quotations(?) on the subject come from, though. Daranios (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve. The article needs to make clear that the ancient Norse year was divided into two halves, vetr and sumarr, and that both are also found personified. We cite Simek's Dictionary of Northern Mythology (1996 English translation of his 1984 Lexikon der germanischen Mythologie—our article wording "In the late 1900s" is deceptively ambiguous) for his opinion that the personifications were literary. The article should be rebalanced, starting with the intro, to not present them as primarily mythological figures, although they are such in the Prose Edda and elsewhere (I'm not saying that should be removed from the article!). And it should definitely note that vetr is used for counting years—so many "winters" old, so many "winters" between events. From the summary we now have, Grimm was being silly. Ár is etymologically a "year" word but was used to refer to the year's harvest (and agricultural plenty in general). We are probably misrepresenting his position a bit; but the battle between winter and summer is a superannuated theory in Germanic mythology. Normally I would have rewritten the article a bit before responding here (thanks for the ping, bloodofox); however. I am typing this laboriously in a hospital (sorry for typos) without access to my books. Google Books won't show me Simek and I decided to leave checking Grimm for others. I did check Daranios' link to Harry Eilenstein's Die Symbolik der Himmelsrichtungen, Jahreszeiten und Jahresfeste (this is my search result, with p. 136 looking most likely). However, the snippets of text I can see and the publication information—volume 54 in the series Die Götter der Germanen, published on demand by Norderstedt—suggest to me that the book is too fringey to be citeable. And I doubt it has much of use to say since it's focussed on religious symbolism. This (Kristýna Králová, Fast Goes the Fleeting Time: The Miscellaneous Concepts of Time in Different Old Norse Genres, 2020, Münchner nordistische Studien; passage starts on p. 91) seems to me to be a good source for explaining the uses of the two words for the seasons, as well as suggesting that Snorri's personification is a later development. (And it's in English, and has a reference or two on the 4-fold division of the year being introduced with the Julian calendar.) I'm afraid I have to stop here and hope the trackpad hasn't destroyed this !vote (and the linguists may want to correct me). Yngvadottir (talk) 03:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Avengers: The Initiative characters

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Fails WP:NOTPLOT lacking any sources besides primary ones. A pure plot summary list. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Avengers: The Initiative - The central and major characters that appeared in the series are already listed and described on the main article. Overly specific plot information on minor characters really should not be included on a character list, and when that is cleaned out, there is no longer any reason for a split out article. Rorshacma (talk) 16:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Rorschacma. An unneeded split off the main article, but it has a valid target in a broader article that better covers this information. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Fails WP:NOTPLOT and WP:SIGCOV. Split articles are not exempt from policies. If splitting would create a failing article, the answer is to clean up and trim, not split. Jontesta (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trucks and Bus Company

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Fails WP:NCORP. I noticed this was nominated over 10 years ago with a decision to keep. However those sources fail WP:SIRS as they are not in-depth. The criteria for companies are much more stringent now. Imcdc Contact 06:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG.4meter4 (talk) 01:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Lacks WP:SIGCOV and lacks inherent notability as per WP:ORGSIG. Beachweak (talk) 10:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seonghwa

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR, WP:NSINGER, and WP:BANDMEMBER showing lack of significant coverage from independent reliable sources for individual notability other than passing mention for Ateez-related reportings and/or mentioned in conjuction with Ateez. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. SnowKang (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - lack of significant coverage of solo career for now Evaders99 (talk) 02:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pump Aid

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An article based on 2 sources. There's 9 google news hits but on closer inspection most of these are not WP:SIGCOV that would meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 05:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Steffen Gebhardt

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Unnotable. A ton of bricks 05:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mathangi Ajithkumar

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This playback singer fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:NMUSIC. Coverage is unreliable non-bylined WP:NEWSORGINDIA sources (example), trivial mentions (example), and/or tabloid coverage disallowed for notability per WP:SBST (example). Nothing qualifying turned up in WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 05:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sophie Moleta

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. I found this article because Moleta redirects here and I wanted to determine whether it should be a disambiguation or if Moleta (kgosi) should be the main subject. Searching suggests this is a run-of-the-mill musician. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 04:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep -- there are four sources fully cited in this article talking about her. They appear to be reliable, secondary, and independent sources; the two I've managed to access myself provide significant coverage and I assume the others do as well, particularly the news article in The West Australian with her name in it. That's three GNG-qualifying sources right there. Quoting, GNG is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." -- just because the sources in the article were not linked does not mean they do not exist. Whether a person seems "run-of-the-mill" is irrelevant as long as they pass GNG; and if you read the news articles which were cited in the article at the time of the nomination she does have a somewhat interesting style.

I would make this a strong keep if I could track down the URL for the West Australian article, but I can't currently. Probably searches are failing because the news source does not keep archives from 2001. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relatedly I think it will likely need to be a disambiguation page -- the kgosi while arguably more historically significant is likely much more obscure. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Severity Index

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This is a scale that has only been proposed and used by one private company to compete with the indexes that the National Weather Service uses. It is not significantly covered by the National Weather Service, any of its subsidiaries, nor any major, reliable sources that are independent of the subject, failing WP:GNG. Additionally, the sources which are cited in providing information for the index have not been updated since 2008, and were created by the company that developed the scale. Since the subject of this article has such limited coverage and only sources from the developers of the scales are cited, I believe that this article should be deleted. ChrisWx ☁️ (talk - contribs) 03:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have also started a related deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_2#Template:Most_intense_landfalling_Atlantic_hurricanes_(HSI). ChrisWx ☁️ (talk - contribs) 04:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Tropical cyclone scales: I've searched Google Books, Google Scholars, and Google and have been unable to find significant coverage. But, it does appear to be regularly mentioned in reliable sources when listing recent attempts at finding better methods of hurricane classification. See:

Absent more thorough coverage Wikipedia should probably cover this scale similarly to how reliable sources do. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Falls WP:GNG. ~🌀 Ampil ^{「💬 / 📝」} 13:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Douglas, Indiana

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Another rail point/post office elevated to a village by Baker. The facts on the ground and on maps aren't as ironclad on this one, but there is a lack of positive evidence beyond Baker's statement. Mangoe (talk) 03:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I'm pretty sceptical when the only evidence that this place was ever a community is the single word "village" used in a one-paragraph description. Particularly when no incorporation ever happened, to be platted means that plans for a town at the location were filed, but that does not mean those plans were ever necessarily realised. The fact that the two names for this place (Maxams, Douglas) were simply the name of the post master during their period strongly suggests that this was only ever a post office - that is, not a community, but a single building or store. If an ATD is needed a redirect/merge to Center Township, Gibson County, Indiana can be done, but the reality is the only verifiable information that can be merged there is the name of the post master, which is surely not WP:DUE. FOARP (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non notable location, no information found, and there is nothing in the article to merge (except that there was a rural post office for 14 years...who cares.) WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alabama Spirit

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Redirect to List of National Premier Soccer League teams as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 03:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. Svartner (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Browns Mill, Virginia

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Insignificant locality in Fairfax County, Virginia. WP:BEFORE yields only SEO junk and results for the eponymous road. Waddles 🗩 🖉 02:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nothing found except passing mentions of a Browns Mill Junction; nothing suggesting this was a community. Whatever this was, it's been bulldozed under suburban sprawl, so it doesn't make much sense to talk about it in the present tense. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colchester Hunt, Virginia

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Unsourced article for an insignificant residential subdivision in Fairfax County, Virginia. WP:BEFORE yields nothing aside from real estate websites and local Facebook group on Google and nothing useful at all from ["Colchester Hunt, Virginia" site:newspapers.com searching Newspapers.com].

I am also nominating the following articles for the same reasons, being that they are insignificant residential subdivisions:

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DELOSYS

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Declined G11. Mildly promotional article on a Slovak fire-control system. Article only includes one source, which appears to be primary, and reliable sources are clearly lacking. No evidence that this warrants a standalone article. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Konštrukta – Defence, the producer of this system, as an AtD. Agree that it doesn't warrant a standalone article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Action Democratic Movement Party (Namibia)

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Non-notable political party. I was able to find very little independent sources online, and headlines like this aren't exactly promising. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Selective merge/ redirect to List of political parties in Namibia which is currently missing this party. It's a registered party and should be included in that list, but that's about it. It opted out of the most recent election. May be notable at some point, but as of now there is no WP:SIGCOV. See [94], [95], 4meter4 (talk) 16:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Plooy

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Declined prod. Based on a primary source. A search for sources yielded non-independent darts media. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Murdocks

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There's reliable coverage from The Austin Chronicle, including this EP review, but most of it is very brief concert announcements. Outside of that, I couldn't find anything of value. Seems the band was prominent locally but never broke through outside of their city. It's at least a step above GARAGEBAND, but I still don't think it's enough. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yin-yang-style baguazhang

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Revirvlkodlaku, what did you think of the existing sources? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@Liz, I'm not sure what there is to think. There are two hyperlinks, both of which are of Chinese text, and the rest are books. It's not clear to me how anyone can easily verify the content, but more importantly, this still seems like a rather small and obscure school of martial arts, and I don't think it warrants its own article. I think the topic should perhaps be redirected to Baguazhang. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Ai, Hu 艾虎 (2013). "田氏阴阳八卦掌探源及发展" [The Origin and Development of Tian's Yin-Yang Baguazhang]. 中华武术 [Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "阴阳八卦掌，明末清初时，早在四川峨嵋山与青城山一带，碧云、静云两位道长所传。由田氏远祖田如銨始习阴阳八卦掌。在反清复明特殊的历史背景，阴阳八卦掌只在田氏族中秘密传承。传承序为鹏、利、富、海、山、回、克、子、金、川。"
  From Google Translate: "Yin-Yang Bagua Palm was passed down by Taoist priests Biyun and Jingyun in the Emei Mountain and Qingcheng Mountain area of Sichuan in the late Ming and early Qing dynasties. Tian Ruquan, the distant ancestor of the Tian family, began to practice Yin-Yang Bagua Palm. In the special historical background of the anti-Qing and restoration of the Ming Dynasty, Yin-Yang Bagua Palm was only secretly passed down in the Tian family. The order of inheritance is Peng, Li, Fu, Hai, Shan, Hui, Ke, Zi, Jin, and Chuan."
  The article notes: "为弘扬中华武术，田迴先生于上世纪60年代将祖传阴阳八卦掌始传外姓，1990年9月田迴所著《阴阳八卦掌·蟒形掌》一书由人民体育出版社出版，并列为中国武术协会审定的《中国武术文库》“拳械部”所属的“拳术类”，后又作为经典，被选录入《中国武术百科全书》和《中国武术拳械录》。"
  From Google Translate: "In order to promote Chinese martial arts, Mr. Tian Hui passed down the ancestral Yin-Yang Baguazhang to foreign surnames in the 1960s. In September 1990, Tian Hui's book "Yin-Yang Baguazhang·Python-Shaped Palm" was published by People's Sports Publishing House and listed as The "Boxing Category" belonging to the "Boxing Department" of the "Chinese Martial Arts Library" approved by the Chinese Wushu Association was later selected as a classic and included in the "Chinese Martial Arts Encyclopedia" and "Chinese Martial Arts Boxing and Weapons Record"." The book from Tian Hui:
  - Tian, Hui 田迴 (1995). 陰陽八卦掌 : 蟒形掌 [Yin Yang Baguazhang: Python-Shaped Palm] (in Chinese). People's Sports Publishing House [zh]. ISBN 978-7-5009-0508-0. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
2. 天津通志: 体育志 [Tianjin General History: Sports History] (in Chinese). Tianjin: Tianjin Academy of Social Sciences Press 天津社会科学院出版社. 1994. p. 71. ISBN 978-7-8056-3498-2. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "芦忠仁(正文)近年献艺整理出版了《阴阳八盘掌》一书。阴阳八盘掌最显著的特点是,它的走转行动毫不停息,手法腿法步法身法变化多端,姿势时正时斜,时转时翻,时起时伏,并且各个动作组织严密,技法纵横游击,左右盘旋,大有冲锋陷阵威力。演练时,给人以强烈的艺术感和实战感。其器械套路较多,这里只记“八盘刀”、“八第一篇传统体育"
  From Google Translate: "In recent years, Lu Zhongren (text) compiled and published the book "Yin Yang Ba Pan Zhang". The most striking feature of Yin Yang Ba Pan Palm is that it moves around without stopping, its hand, leg, footwork and body movements are ever-changing, its postures are upright and diagonal, turning and turning, rising and falling, and each movement is tightly organized. , the technique is vertical and horizontal guerrilla, circling left and right, and has great charging power. During the drill, it gives people a strong sense of art and practicality. There are many equipment routines, here we only remember the "Ba Pan Knife", "Eight Pan Knife" and "Eight Pan Knife". The first traditional sports"
  The book notes: "阴阳八盘掌在清代也称“阴阳八卦掌”。此拳强调“八盘” (指人体的八个部位)的锻炼。因传授的人不同而变得多种多样。但在董海川以后,尹福和程廷华传授是主流。李振清前期弟子萧海波( 1863——1954 ) ,将此拳从民间传入清朝王府。萧的传人芦忠仁在津门潜心钻研,并向下传续了此拳,另有人称“醉鬼张三”的张长祯,与萧交往很密切,对萧述及所学的“内八卦'乾字门'拳法” (即此拳一支)"
  From Google Translate: "Yin-Yang Baguazhang was also called "Yin-Yang Baguazhang" in the Qing Dynasty. This boxing emphasizes the exercise of "eight pans" (referring to the eight parts of the human body). It varies depending on who teaches it. But after Dong Haichuan, Professors Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua became the mainstream. Xiao Haibo (1863-1954), a former disciple of Li Zhenqing, introduced this boxing from the people to the royal family of the Qing Dynasty. Lu Zhongren, Xiao's descendant, devoted himself to studying in Jinmen and passed on this boxing to the next generation. Zhang Changzhen, also known as "Drunkard Zhang San", had a close relationship with Xiao and told Xiao about the "Nei Bagua" Qianzi he had learned. "Men'quanfa" (that is, this fist)."
3. Liu, Jun-xiang 刘峻骧 (1996). 东方人体文化 [Oriental Human Body Culture] (in Chinese). Shanghai: Shanghai Literature & Art Publishing House [zh]. pp. 107, 109, 115. ISBN 978-7-5321-1488-7. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The book notes: "《阴阳八卦掌》则以蟒形学为首,顺序是按后天八卦图的排列,分别狮形掌、虎形掌、熊形掌、蛇形掌、马形掌、猴形掌、鹏形掌等。但不管哪一派,都讲八方、八位、八掌型。其掌型分别为仰,俯,竖、抱、劈、撩、穿、挑。"
4. Hao, Xinlian 郝心莲 (1998). 中国武术百科全书 [Encyclopedia of Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese). Beijing: Encyclopedia of China Publishing House. p. 518. ISBN 978-7-5000-6087-1. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "《阴阳八卦掌》《中华武术文库·拳械部·拳术类》之一。田廻著。中国武术协会审定。 1990 年 9 月人民体育出版社出版。全书共分上下两篇, 8 册。上篇总论,主要介绍了阴阳八卦掌的源流、内容、特点、练习步骤、阴阳论等;下篇讲述蟒形掌等一至八掌的掌势套路练法和技击作用。第 1 册蟒形掌,第 2 ~ 8 册依次为狮形掌、虎形掌、熊形掌、蛇形掌、马形掌、猴形掌、鹏形掌。... 它与董海川所传八卦掌不同,实为八卦掌另一流派。该书材料翔实,图文并茂,文字简练,通俗易懂,便于自学,利于查阅。"
  From Google Translate: "The Yin-Yang Bagua Palm is based on the python form, and the order is arranged according to the post-natal Bagua diagram, including lion-shaped palm, tiger-shaped palm, bear-shaped palm, snake-shaped palm, horse-shaped palm, monkey-shaped palm, roc-shaped palm, etc. But no matter which school it is, they all talk about eight directions, eight positions, and eight palm forms. The palm forms are upward, downward, vertical, hugging, chopping, lifting, piercing, and picking."
5. Ren, Zhicheng 任致诚 (2001). 阴阳八盘掌 [Yin Yang Ba Pan Palm]. Jiaolong Library Ancient Boxing Manual Series 矫龙文库古拳谱丛书 (in Chinese). Vol. 2. Shanxi: Shanxi Science and Technology Press [zh]. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books.
6. Tian, Keyan 田克延 (2005). "阴阳八卦掌基础套路八卦阴阳鱼" [Yin-Yang Bagua Palm Basic Routine: Bagua Yin-Yang Fish]. 中华武术 [Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese). No. 9. pp. 54–57. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via CQVIP [zh].
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yin-yang-style baguazhang (simplified Chinese: 阴阳八卦掌; traditional Chinese: 陰陽八卦掌) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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