Talk:Lamer

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GameFAQs admin Jeff Veasey (CJayC) once was suspended for calling a user a lamer. This falls under the prefix of "flaming" which is against the site's Terms of Service. | That line is unsourced, and i can't find anything about it elsewhere, thus I'm going to remove it. If anyone objects please put a source and restore it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.39.54.141 (talk) 20:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The fact that lamer and gamer in fact rhyme is not mere coincidence, and is often used as an insult to those who profess skill in games (gamers) when really they are beginners.

I'm not quite sure what this means. Can somebody provide an example? And that "lamer" and "gamer" rhyme is mere coincidence. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Italic textIn the subculture of the home computer era, lamer was the standard name for anyone who hides behind a computer to insult people, because they are not capable of handling their real life problems they choose to try to make up for it by being a bully in cyberspace, for example, making fun of other players skills in online games.Italic text

see, now, in every game I've seen it is these "leet" folk who really do nothing but play the game (this articles definition of lamer) who call others lamers

also the terms relation to "llama"<in slang form> might be noted

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This article is silly. It was just a generic insult. On BBSs and IRC it was a pretty standard synonym for idiot, moron, etc.

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I take offense to this article. My last name is Lamers. --ÆAUSSIEevilÆ 22:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Add an apostrohpe to the "e". That way it'll seem like it's French and automatically appear sophisticated. :3 84.49.75.226 (talk) 12:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Use in academic culture

Is this term really used by academics? As far as I know, it's a geeky synonym for "loser" used by demosceners and Internet users, and not something I'd expect to hear in a formal academic context, e.g. from a professor. We need citations for this sense, or it should be removed. e.g. from CJayC. You are a lamer, lame boy.

Usage in RTS

Personally, I've rarely seen the word "lamer" used in RTS games except in regards to abusing a game mechanic. Massing units is more commonly called "rushing" (and has its own article). This tactic is, depending on the game, sometimes considered cheap and other times considered perfectly legitimate. I don't think it really has a place in this section, as a word that is usually unambiguously used to describe something that is unfair.

On a side note, the edit summary cites a "huge" amount of Jedi Academy examples. I count only one, so I am entirely mystified. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 22:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for the edit summary - I had been browsing a few related articles, and every single one of them used Jedi Academy examples, which is a game I haven't heard of much, so I decided to mention it in the summary. It must've been another article I read. The comment about Jedi academy wasn't that relevant anyway.

In Age of Empires 3, I think I see the word lamer used almost every day. I agree with you that it's not 'abusing a game mechanic' like other examples, and very much so a legitimate tactic. However, the word does get used in this context, so the article should mention this use. I tried to describe the contrast with the words "While not adverse to the mutual enjoyment per se, laming in RTS laming in RTS often makes the gameplay more repetitive." I invite you to change the wording to emphasize the difference between normal use and use in RTS.

From my experience, the word 'lamer' in RTS is commonly used as an insult akin to 'noob'. I have added this page to my watch list, so I'll read this space. (Thanks for the notification on my talk page Hinotori)

--Krator 23:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Strong POV in current article.

Examples:

...originally applied in cracker and phreaker culture to someone who didn't really understand what he was doing.

Do we know any alleged lamer was in fact ignorant, or is the opinion of the labeler?

...applied by IRC, BBS, and online gaming users to anyone perceived to be contemptible.

"Percieved" again implies a fact, rather than opinion aligned with a strict ethos.

A lamer's attitude is summed up by the phrase, "I don't care how it works, just that it does".

POV. This might be acceptable in a quote from an acknowledged authority on lamers, (if any exist), but otherwise, it's hardly encyclopedic.

...and so on. The current article seems more like a denunciation of people its author didn't like. --AC (talk) 23:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Your complaints are relevant to any article about a term, rather than a topic. To be short, the term "alleged" or adjectives with a similar essence could be added everywhere. See also Subjectivism. In the end, it just reads nicer without all those redundant words. User:Krator (t c) 00:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Comparing the "Lamer" article to "...any article about a term" is vague. "Lamer" is a pejorative term, (e.g. "nigger") its reason for being is to harshly distinguish between proposed or proffered social classes. Dotting the article with "alleged lamer" would be as useless as "alleged nigger" -- the adjective "alleged" draws attention to points of unsupported factual claims, but pejoratives don't address universes of intrinsic objective facts about which reports can be alleged; rather pejoratives describe and impose value systems via declarative assertion, like the boundaries of imaginary lands, (e.g. Narnia, Oz, Heaven, etc.).

Put another way, we can ask "do lame (slow, inept, stupid) computer users exist?" Certainly, (though specific instances are bound to be controversial), but even so, are those traits contemptible, and does that require a special pejorative? There's the POV. --AC (talk) 10:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

No, this article is all COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSE. I'm removing everything but the start, the rest is a pile of made-up PoV. Anonywiki (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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Pronounced?

Is it pronounced lamer like gamer, kramer or is it lamer like banner, hammer? --KpoT (talk) 18:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

AFAIK it's pronounced to rhyme with "gamer". JIP | Talk 06:53, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Llama

Shouldn't the article have some mention of the term "llama"? --uKER (talk) 15:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)